Talk:Amir Mohammad Khan

"orthodox" replaced by "Islamic", it was not his own whim or desire to do so, it is positively commanded by the Islamic statute.You cannot label it as 'orthodox'.Numerous traditions of the Holy prophet condemn the shaking of hands with a woman, and they can be provided as a proof.If someone thinks Islamic rules as old-fashioned or orthodox,it can't be helped. Abubakar 09:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.65.150.194 (talk) 08:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I added some content to this page

Well my content is turning into an edit war although i did give reliable sources still it was again deleted.I am new to Wikipedia.I have tried to reason please help.My content was this:- "Nawab of Kalabagh' was the title that malik Amir Mohammad khan's Grandfather's Great Grandfather Malik Surkhuru Khan had taken when after the death of the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb in 1707 the Viceroy of Bengal&Murshidabad Murshid Quli Khan became independent in 1717 and the viceroy of Oudh Saadat Ali Khan followed suit in 1724 so in the early 1730's the viceroy of DhanKot also declared his independence from Mughal rule and established his own state which included the modern day districts of dera ismail khan,Bannu&Mianwali and some parts of chakwal district and placed the foundations of a new city named Kalabagh a name literally meaning Black Garden as he planted a lot of gardens of mango trees and from afar their dense dark green leaves looked black in the dusty haze to a traveller thus the name it should also be noted that the word Nawab literally means Viceroy in Urdu so when the various viceroys became independent it became a badge of rank and later through the ages a hereditary title but it should be known that before this the hereditary title of the Awan tribal chief since time immemorial had been Malik and they had ruled from the time of the Mahabharat from their heritary seat of The Great Fort of Dhankot whose ruins stand to this day and whose name literally means the fort of wealth its name is even mentioned as the seat of the Awan Malik Chief in the Tuzk-e-Baburi of Mughal Emperor Babur and the Ain-e-Akbari of Mughal Emperor Akbar as written by Mir abu al-fazal but it was situated in an extremely difficult area on a ridge overlooking the Indus River and an ancient trade and invasion route so the first Nawab moved his summer residence to his new and by comparison much cooler city of Kalabagh and later by the time of his greatgrandson Nawab Malik Muzzafar khan who was the first nawab to have come in contact with the British the fort of dhankot was completely abandoned.Nawab Malik Muzzafar khan had allied with the British and fought against the Sikh empire for his own personal goals as the Sikhs had tried to and had been partially successful in taking his state over and so the British gave him yet another title of Khan Bahadur and confirmed to him his half remaining state which now became an estate but they treacherously did not give him back the parts of his state that he had lost in the wars with the Sikhs as they feared he would become too powerful and from that time on the till independence the nawabs of kalabagh just barely tolerated the British as was the case during the firs world war when nawab malik muzzafar khan's grandson and nawab malik amir mohammad khans father namely Nawab Malik Atta Mohammad Khan was asked to give volunteers for the British war effort and he flatly refused the British then threatened to take over the estate if he did not give men or money still the nawab did not give a single man yet gave two boat loads of gold bullion to ward off the British and with this money the British made two Sopwith Camel bi-plane fighters and named them KB-1&KB-2 respectively and refitted 30,000 cavalry remounts nawab malik atta mohammad khan died when Nawab malik amir mohammad khan was just 6 years old and thus the estate came under protection of the crown .Nawab Malik Amir Mohammad Khan had also served as a member of the Provincial Assembly of the Punjab from 1956 – 1958.. And some real life facts about his descendants which were as follows:- "His eldest son Nawab Malik Muzaffar Khan won the National Assembly seat from NW-44, Mianwali-I in the December 1970 elections Nawab Malik Muzzafar Khan had three sons Namely the eldest Malik Idrees Khan,the second Malik Farid khan and the youngest Malik Waheed Khan.Nawab HisMalik Idrees Khan became the Nawab of Kalabagh after his father Nawab Malik Muzzafar Khan's death a post which he holds to this day.Nawab Malik amir mohammad khan's second son Malik Allah Yar also remained the member of Majlis-e-Shoora during General Zia-ul-Haq's military regime.Nawab HisMalik Amir Mohammad Khan's grandson from his third son and alleged murderer Malik Asad Malik Amad Khan won the National Assembly seat from NA-71 Mianwali-I, in the February 2008 elections as an independent candidate. His paternal granddaughter from his second son Malik Allahyar Khan, Sumaira Malik,became a member of the National Assembly after 2013 general elections.Nawab Malik Amir Mohammad Khan's fourth and youngest Son Malik Azam Khan was a bit of a wild card he was murdered in the same bohr banglow guest house allegedly by his famous aitchison classfellow and now famous cricketer and head of PTI IMRAN KHAN who gave him a poisoned bottle of wine one cold night of 1995 this was also said to have been the work of Malik Asad as after this act imran khan was suddenly catapulted into politics by malik asad's support.Malik Azam died without issue". Now i will admit that there were some allegations which although true did not have enough sources but here is my reasoning on them till date. "Well mr meter Concerning the fact that you said i added unsourced content.Well i am new to wikipedia but i have researched the late nawab of kalabaghs family and history extensively.So I do know that my edits are true facts but as for sources. well kindly guide me as to what sources do you need?I have added three factual books about the nawabs history.As for what you said about the murder report being unsourced.Well I have been to kalabagh and district mianwali and even the children of the area know the history as the nawab family is very famous there.As for his descendants and his eldest son malik muzzafar khans childrens names.Well you may remember that a false page once existed on wikipedia titled nawab of kalabagh and it was removed because an edit war started when an actual descendant( user name mmtpmjp) of the nawab amir mohammad khan read and tried to correct the page.But he did not know wikipedia's policy but he being family to the nawab wrote and so he made legal threats and so he was banned.But the page was also later removed.Because even after his banning he did not stop writing and was in the end proven right and his posts on his page also contain the names of malik muzzafar khans sons.I have also independantly confirmed this as the three sons malik idrees khan,malik farid khan and the youngest malik waheed khan are all alive and well and are prominent personalities of the area.Malik waheed is also into politics and even ran for MNA elections in the 2013 general elections and a local tv channel waqt news even made a documentary about him which is available on youtube.And If you are from pakistan you can confirm all this yourself as this is one of the most prominent families of pakistan and nothing about their past or present is or can be hidden from the public.So my question is that please guide me so that i can add this factual information about this topic without voilating wikipedias rules thankyou.Yoohooyoo (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Yoohooyoo, how is anyone supposed to make sense out of a nearly 2,000 character post with no capitalization or punctuation? If you lack sufficient skills in written English, perhaps you should be contributing to the Wikipedia in your native language. (Note to Meters, feel free to revert if you view this as overly harsh or wish to remove the entire section). John from Idegon (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2018 (UTC) Well i just gave my sources and asked to be guided as per wikipedias rules.Is that too much to ask?And by the way anyone can read a post however long it is and however crudely it is written if they have the intrest to do so and i find this comment by jhon from idegon very rude and unjust indeed.And by the way i have corrected my previous post as much as i can thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by oohooyoo (talk • contribs) 21:21, June 10, 2018 (UTC) Please sign and indent your talk page posts. I thought I was very clear on your talk page when I said There is no way an unsourced claim of murder belongs in an article. Provide reliable sources or leave it alone. with my first warning and You made a change that directly contradicted a cited source. If the source is wrong then provide a new source. Changing the content but leaving the original source is not acceptable, and appears to be vandalism. with my second warning. You accused someone of murder with no sources in the first edit, and you accused someone else of a different murder (directly contradicting the cited source) in the second edit. These are both egregious examples of improperly or completely unsourced material. The rest of your material was similarly improperly sourced, it just did not involve such serious claims..Please read WP:RS and WP:POV. Statements such as "they treacherously did not give him back the parts of his state that he had lost in the wars" are not appropriate. That appears to be your opinion since you have not sourced it to anything. Meters (talk) 23:00, 10 June 2018 (UTC) Well Mr meters as I said i am new here and my editing is totally neutral.I have read WP:POV and WP:RS and although some of my facts like they did not give him back his lands etc. Are not in my sources like the mianwali gazetter 1915.Well of course do you excpect the british to say a bad thing about themselves.This i will Give you.So i will try to give another source from within the country of Pakistan.But till then we will let that matter rest.Same is the Issue about WP:RS.Yes i will try to correct my Grammar.Now for your reverting my edit of the courtesey titles From Khan bahadur back to Nawab.Well now that is unfair as the source that you claim to true i.e The Mianwali district gazetter 1915 does state thatand due to his meritious service to us Template:Nawab Malik Muzzafar khan was given the honrary title of Template:Khan Bahadur and the powers of Magistrate 1st class bestowed upon him.Now there you have it.I can clearly see that you have at the best read only the material from the aforementioned gazetter that is available on the internet and is as of yet incomplete.I strongly recommend that you read the printed version of the Mianwali district gazetter 1915 as present in the British Indian Archives.Especially the Chapter's On the Awans and Kalabagh and its history and my other three sources.Same is the case with you deleting the word Khan from the end of his name.Now this i see as a personal attack as the tile Of {Khan} is even older than {Nawab} and appears with Nawab Malik Amir Mohammad Khan and His Ancestors name everywhere in the cited sources and allover the internet.So I can't make any head or tale of why you did that?kindly elaborate and increase our knowledge.And by the way you did not answer my previous question regarding his descendant's names which i gave you some sources about but on that you are strangely quiet?So now kindly tell me what other things you consider biased so that we can make this into a factual page.And also elaborate on the murder allegation that you say I supposedly put in my second edit.So that it can also be corrected without edit warring.And please dont delete all of my edits even the small ones like removing the word {khan} and adding the word supposedly to the history of kalabagh state to make it sound dubious while that is clearly stated in all three of my sources that that The Awan maliks ruled the quasi independant state of kalabagh since mahmud of Ghazni' time the mianwali gazetter 1915 and even before that as mentioned in the Tuzk-i-Baburi by the first Mughal emperor Zaheeruddin Babur(chapter about the Mountain of the jud and the two clans who ruled it namely the janjuas and the jodhas(Modern day awans) who ruled from Din Kot or Dhan Kot fort on the river indus).And the later Ain-i-Akbari of Mir Abu-al-Fazl(chapter on the Awan's of Dhankot fort).I hope i have made the situation clear on my side.And also tell what do you want me put on the talk page.And please correct my edits rather than outright removing them totally as at the very least 75percent of my research is correct.Yoohooyoo" Now this is my point of view to which editor Meters has issue.I ask the senior editors to give a non biased judgment so that we can resolve this issue.Thankyou. Yoohooyoo (talk) 08:19, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Yoohooyoo: The text above is not readable. All editors are volunteers, and it is the responsibility of each one of us to make communication easier by writing reasonably succinctly, using standard punctuation and formatting. It looks like you have copied and pasted large sections of a talk page discussion, but there is nothing to show where it is from. It would have been better to provide a link to the talk page in question without copying the text here, especially since copying text between Wikipedia pages without attribution actually violates a guideline.

If your reason for copying the talk page discussion was to present your arguments, I'm afraid it was not successful, because it is just too long-winded. In order to make discussion possible, could you state your points more briefly, and not put everything in the same paragraph? Finally, do not comment on other contributors. Focus on the content you want to edit, and make your arguments without discussing other editors and their motives. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 14:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

This is definitely in WP:TLDR territory. Yoohooyoo, if you want me, or anyone else, to evaluate your material please break it into manageable chunks, and provide reliable sources for each piece. Adding a wall of text to the article with a few offline refs tacked on at the end does not allow us to evaluate whether the material is reliably sourced, or even which claims are supposedly sourced.

After one unsourced murder claim, and another one that contradicted the identification of the murderer in the source we cite, I'm not giving your edits the benefit of the doubt. Meters (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah well.If you want short sentences.Here you go. 1-That the descendants i wrote about are all Real people.You can confirm that independantly. 2-that the history of the Nawabs I wrote is true at least in its basic facts. 3-That Meters says that (Nawab) was a courtesey title of just one Cheif of Kalabagh state.And his source is the Mianwali Gazetter of 1915.While in reality it is written in the same gazetter that the british gave "the Nawab's the title of (Khan Bahadur)".I think that is clear enough. 4-Read my other source books&My Contributions.And then talk to me.Tell me what so called serious allegations there are?And if they really are serious enough we will re-edit this page.But at least let me put in the basic facts.I hope I have made everything Clear! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoohooyoo (talk • contribs) 07:49, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't find your response any more useful or clear than your previous wall of text. This is getting into WP:CIR territory.

1. Asking me to verify something independently is not providing a reliable source.
2. Simply stating that something is true in its basic facts is not providing a reliable source, and leaves open the possibility that some of these claims are not correct.  
3. I didn't make any claims. I simply undid your edits to the previous state. I'm asking you to source your changes.
4. Why would I read your other books? I'm asking you to tell me specifically which sources support each of your claims. That's your responsibility. I'm not saying your changes are wrong. I'm saying I don't know what you are basing them on so I can't tell.

As for what the serious allegations are, I already explained this clearly on my talk page when you asked about it [1]. Since you still don't seem to understand, here it is again, with diffs, so everyone can see. You made an edit with an unsourceded accusation of one murder, and one which accused the wrong person of another murder (according to the cited source) [2] [3].

I have to say it seems a bit disingenuous to claim that you don't know what these supposed "serious allegations" were when those are virtually the only bits of your original edits that you didn't restore in your latest edits. Meters (talk) 21:25, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Well if those were the only allegations! And you want just basic sourced material.Than let's edit the page by modifiying my last edit with the sources because that is true to the facts and sources.Is that Fair?yoohooyoo Yoohooyoo (talk) 05:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

I am going to edit this page after having modified my content to be as factual as possible.I will also add credible sources.Please use this talk page rather than blatantly deleting all of my contributions.Thankyou Yoohooyoo (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

In the Career section of the article, it states that "Khan served as Governor of Sindh during 1984–87 time period". How is this possible if he died in 1967? Either the information is incorrect, or it is referring to someone else and should be elaborated on. Also, I'm not entirely sure how to use a Talk page, so I'm sorry if I'm doing something wrong by editing it. Moosa786 (talk) 18:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)