Talk:Anadrome

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Requested move 26 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Move per WP:SILENCE. — Wug·a·po·des 00:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ananym → Anadrome – This article appears to refer to anadromes/semordnilap(s), not ananyms. An ananym is a form of anadrome indicating a reversed name that is used as an alias (in less formal usage, any inverted proper noun). Rovingrobert (talk) 09:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The tabulated examples include terms that are not proper nouns. It is also unclear if all proper nouns are ananyms, since the primary definition of the word is that of an anadromic pseudonym. Rovingrobert (talk) 09:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The use of -nym as a suffix referring primarily to people, and the presence of multi-word anadromes in the article, also cast doubt on the label of ananym. Rovingrobert (talk) 10:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Move review

@Rovingrobert: -- I missed this move request and I belatedly disagree with it. Anadrome is a much rarer word than ananym and semordnilap and the article should be at one of those two names; I would argue for the former.

There are three relevant and related categories of words:

pairs of words which happen to be reversals of each other (e.g. "live"/"evil" or "reed"/"deer") — Your definition of "semordnilap".
a word coined by reversing a related word (a subtype of #1) -- the examples in the article
an alias derived by reversing the real name (a subtype of #2, e.g. Ani Lorak, Revilo) -- Your definition of "ananym"

You define anadrome as having the same meaning as semordnilap, so anadrome and semordnilap should point to the same place, but the latter currently redirects to Palindrome#Semordnilap.

Semordnilap and ananym are both more common words than anadrome, so anadrome should be a redirect to whichever of those it is more closely synonymous with; thus either:

rename this article Semiordnilap and make Palindrome#Semordnilap a WP:SUMMARY of it
rename this article Ananym and change anadrome into a redirect to Palindrome#Semordnilap

This reference...

Puder, James (2000). "Seventeen Synonyms of Semordnilap". Word Ways. 33 (1): 28–30.

... includes anagram, ananym, antigram, drow, half-palindrome. inversion, palinode, recurrent palindrome, retronym, reversagram, reversal, reversal pair/sentence, reversible, reversible anagram, sotadic palindrome, and word reversal but not anadrome.

As to the definition of ananym, Puder says:

Reference works of the present day tend to call half-palindromes REVERSALS if they notice them at all, but a few do contribute some novel names to the menagerie. The Oxford Companion to the English Language (1992) advises that one name for the half-palindromes is RETRONYM. although that word is not to be found in the OED or other major dictionaries. (It has lately been recoined in another wordplay role.) The Encyclopedia Americana, meanwhile, which earlier in the century had been one of the authorities to insist that half-palindromes were properly termed anagrams, has in recent editions thrown its considerable weight behind the term RECURRENT PALINDROME. And not to be overlooked is the little-used word ANANYM. which dates to the nineteenth century and which is defined by general dictionaries that list it as a pseudonym created by the reversal of a person's name. However, three specialized dictionaries, Joseph T. Shipley's Dictionary of World Literary Terms (1970), J. A. Cuddon's The Penguin Dictionary of Literary Terms and Literary Theory (1991) and David Crystal's Dictionary of Language and Languages (1992), either state or imply (by the example cited) that any reversed word may be called an ananym.

jnestorius^(talk) 10:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]