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Clarification: The 15 American soldiers were dressed as civilians, out of uniform, therefore spies, engaged in a military mission. Sorry to say, and correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the "rules of war" isn't death the appropriate punishment? Missaeagle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missaeagle (talk • contribs) 23:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Snuff Video on Youtube
Watch the 2:31 min long video if you think its "his last minutes before" his MURDER. When we as a fact can see the full cold blooded murder on screen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- You're an idiot. End of story. Spread your garbage somewhere else.Bllasae (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC).
Video with his execution
In this site: http://br.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=wKuyMgX5zi0 , you can see the execution of this nazi general, in 1945. Agre22 (talk) 16:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)agre22
Wrong Wrong Wrong
Four witnesses, including two members of German Naval Intelligence, testified that the soldiers were in uniform when captured. See e.g. http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/Law-Reports_Vol-1.pdf
The views of the son of the defense lawyer writing 60 years later cannot stand in the face of those of 4 German army and 2 German navy witnesses, plus a deposition from a 5th army witness who was in hospital at the time of the trial, to say nothing of the testimony of the US witnesses. That the captured US troops were in uniform (and that the officers wore rank insignia etc) was not only attested to by the witnesses (one of whom, Dohna zu Schlobitten, reiterated the claim in his memoirs published in the 1980s), it was a fact entered into the LXXV Korps war diary as well. The bodies of the defendants had been recovered, so material evidence was also in existence. Dostler's defense team made numerous legal arguments about jurisdiction and claimed the uniforms lacked insignia "identifiable at a distance", however if this element of the defense had been accepted the large majority of the troops of all armies would have been liable for execution as the uniforms in question were not substantially different in this regard from any others.
After their representations to Dostler failed, Korvettenkapitaen Klaps was threatened with court martial and later moved to a different position (subsequently testifying at Dostler's trial) and Dohna zu Schlobitten (who is quite famous in his own right due to leading a march of refugees out of East Prussia in 1945 and for his efforts to build reconciliation with Poland after the war) was dismissed from the Wehrmacht.
Whatever the legal merits of Emery's arguments (and it seems his father sincerely doubted the basis for the conviction), any force they posses does not rest on the US troops being out of uniform, and in fact the article linked to never makes this claim; it is only stated that the defense made this claim and in fact the claim at trial was that the insignia were not recognisable at a distance and not that no uniforms were worn. The men were shot without trial, a fact even the defense acknowledged and accepted was a right to be accorded even to spies. Furthermore the so-called Commando Befehl upon which the "only following orders" defense rested, the real core of the defense, stated that commandos were to be either shot in pursuit or handed over to the Sicherheitsdienst, neither of which occurred in reality.
Editors should note that IP 18.104.22.168 deleted the Schlobitten reference not only from this page but also from Schlobitten's own Wiki page, which was then edited in blatant defiance of the man's own autobiography! Dduff442 (talk) 20:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Pretty sure the United States military executed tons of Native American civilians.... out of uniform. Not to mention the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki later containing 600,000 civilians, most of which... were not in military uniform... because they weren't military combatants at all. So I find the argument that these sabetuers acting on behalf of their state, had any protection of the Geneva Convention... considering the US military flagrantly disregards it when it is in its own best interest. And by doing so, it thereby loses the protection of said rules of war. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Soldiers in Uniform
I have changed the article to reflect the facts in the case supported by the Law Reports of Trials of War Criminals prepared by the UN War Crimes Tribunal. http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/Law-Reports_Vol-1.pdf The relevant info is at the bottom of page 25. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:02, 4 April 2013 (UTC)