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Inaccuracy regarding Selanne[edit]

The article currently states that Selanne was one of the Jets to leave the franchise during the summer the team moved to Phoenix. This is inaccurate, as the Jets had traded Selanne to Anaheim during the 1996 season for, among other players, D Oleg Tverdovsky. Though I cannot find a source to back this, Winnipeg rumour has long held that the management made this move to free up funds to keep American-born Keith Tkachuk and sign American-born free agent Jeremy Roenick, thus making the team more "palatable" to a predominantly American market.

Thomas Steen would perhaps be the best example of a Jet who did not make the move to Phoenix, inasmuch as his whole career was in Winnipeg, and he was much-beloved by the home fans.

Feb 7, 1996: Winnipeg Jets traded Teemu Selanne, Marc Chouinard and 4th round selection (later traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, later traded to the Montreal Canadiens - Kim Staal) in 1996 to the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim for Chad Kilger, Oleg Tverdovsky and 3rd round selection (Per-Anton Lundstrom) in 1996. http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=1035&hubname=nhl-ducks ccwaters 17:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Leaving on a Jet plane[edit]

This article on the Coyotes reads almost the same as the article on the Jets. The vast majority of the writing in the article is about the Jets. We need to shorten the info on the Jets and focus this article more on the Coyotes. Masterhatch 15 August 2005

Personally, I'd make two seperate articles, but that doesn't look like the status quo in the NHL articles... ccwaters 14:51, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Currently there are two separate articles. What looks like happened was someone made a Winnipeg Jets article and just copy pasted the Coyotes page to it. Some teams (such as Calgary Flames/Atlanta Flames) are on the same page, but other teams such as Dallas Stars/Minnesota North Stars/Oakland Seals and New Jersey Devils/Kansas City Scouts/Colorado Rockies (NHL) have separate pages. If i was more ambitious, i would split the Flames up. But i have too many other projects on the go right now. What I am suggesting for this article is to shorten the Jets history on this page and talk more about the Coyotes. If someone has the time or energy, that would be a nifty little project. Masterhatch 15 August 2005
Well, the Dallas Stars article has exactly 2 sentences about the Dallas Stars. Carolina Hurricanes is roughly 50% Whalers even though there is a perfectly acceptable Hartford Whalers article. Atlanta Flames do need their own article. The New Jersey Devils is actually mostly Devils, though. ccwaters 17:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, you are right. There are a lot of pages that need a lot of work. Masterhatch 15 August 2005
It does read like it was written by a disgruntled Jets fan, doesn't it? Are there any Coyotes fans in the house? Or anyone who can accurately summarize the last ten years in a few paragraphs? (This season alone deserves something to itself, given how swimmingly everything has gone.) I think the Colorado Avalanche page does a good job of separating Quebec from Colorado, even if it is horrendously partisan in tone. Doogie2K 18:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, a little better, though now, it needs some real Coyotes history (that middle paragraph is more of a placeholder). Any Coyotes fans in the house, or people with access to a media guide or something? Unless, of course, their website has everything we need... Doogie2K 19:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Phoenix Coyotes players[edit]

I have just completed the List of Phoenix Coyotes players. It is 100% complete as of the end of the 2003-04 NHL season. It would be a great help to keep it complete if when a new player starts playing for the Coyotes, he could be added to the list! Thanks! Masterhatch 15 August 2005

Djstreet 06:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC) Saprykin is a Canadian citizen, maybe he's got dual?

Or is naturalized. Ravenswing 13:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

No need to mention it, twice[edit]

Gretzky's name is already in the Team Box, pointing out he's minority-owner & coach. The article doesn't have to mention his name at the top. The other NHL clubs ,don't mention their coach at the top of their articles. PS- I'm not Anti-Gretzky GoodDay 22:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Inaccuracy regarding America West Arena[edit]

The discussion regarding America West Arena and it's attendance is way out of place. The arena was always at 16,210 capacity for Ice Hockey. They didn't reduce the capacity after the Coyotes moved in and played a few games. It was always obstructed view for hockey.

Nolan[edit]

Should Nolan be listed as both a Brit and a Canadian, with two flags? 67.188.172.165 00:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

No. Ravenswing 02:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Retired Numbers[edit]

An anon-user, had added Hawerchuk's #10 (due to the Coyotes honouring Hawerchuk, a few days ago). I've removed the entry, as I don't recall the Coyotes retiring the number. Am I correct?GoodDay 17:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't announced, if they had.  Ravenswing  20:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Until we know for sure, we should put an Asterik or something on it. or say "Citation Needed"--Dr. Pizza (talk) 03:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems they've unretired Hawerchuk's #10 and Bobby Hull's #9. Talk about an absolute classless move. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.167.35.5 (talk) 23:33, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

That could have been part of the deal with the Atlanta/Winnipeg move as well.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.114.91 (talkcontribs)

Rick Tocchet[edit]

Is the whole Rick Tocchet gambling ring(another article here) not worth mentioning? For people who didn't know (since I had no idea before reading about it, not sure why it took me so long to find out) he was/is (didn't get fired, on leave of absence) the assistant coach of the Coyotes. I do think it's funny how the New Jersey authorities call it "Operation Slapshot" though. BsroiaadnTalk 05:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it is worth mentioning. It was a big deal for a while. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Uniform Section, and Mascot[edit]

Article needs a Jersey section, complete with photos and info. Also, the team mascot needs to be mentioned. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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Uniform Oddity[edit]

Is it me, or is there no alternate logo on the left shoulder of both the home and away jerseys?

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Dangerous future[edit]

Why do I not see anything about the Coyotes bleeding money? they are expected to lose another 30 million this year, and continue to draw very small crowds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rddflag (talkcontribs) 17:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably cause no one took the time to write it and find reliable sources that support that fact. Go ahead and be bold and fix it. -Djsasso (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Someone added it, but they just copy-pasted an Associated Press report.-Wafulz (talk) 20:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Look under the Globe and Mail website (www.globeandmail.com), theres a few articles about their 80 million dollar debt and their financial struggles.JCole416 (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
We aren't saying it's wrong, we are saying go ahead and add it with a source. That is how wiki works, people like you add facts they can source. -Djsasso (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that the future of the coyotes is of merit to be included.--Starwars1791 (talk) 05:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Jerry Moyes status[edit]

If Moyes is still the 'majority owner' in title only? Wouldn't 'minority owner' Gretzky be in charge of the Coyotes? GoodDay (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe the league itself has assumed control for the moment. We'll have a better idea of who's actually operating this team after todays (or was it tomorows?) court appearance regarding the bankruptcy claim. Resolute 14:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Moyes still owns the team but the NHL is controlling it. Sort of like the situation in Anaheim where the owner can't make decisions for the team. -Djsasso (talk) 15:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I've re-added Moyes to the owner section, as he's still the majority owner. Note that the section isn't called active owner. GoodDay (talk) 14:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The Coyotes were purchased by Ice Edge Holdings LLC. and the team will continue to play in Phoenix/Glendale instead. The southern Ontario market is under the Toronto Maple Leafs fan base, while other considerations in the past like Chicago, Kansas City, Hartford and Las Vegas either have a team (Chicago has the Chicago Blackhawks) or lack a standard arena (the Kansas City Sprint Center was opened 3 years ago). + Mike D 26 (talk) 01:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Point of fact: The Coyotes have not yet been purchased by Ice Edge, but rather, the group has signed a letter of intent. They still have to successfully negotiate agreements with the City of Glendale and the National Hockey League, and be ratified by both, before they will take ownership. Resolute 05:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Opinion: keeping the team in the desert is not going to make it more profitable; the failure of this club (the Glendale/Pheonix market is not much of a market at all) is evidence of why moving Canadians team to the US south is a bad idea. We should definitely not overplay the situation with Ice Edge, as it's likely to not turn out with the rosy projections that they seem to be putting forward. 128.138.64.212 (talk) 22:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Ice Edge LLC didn't buy the Coyotes in late 2010. Their objective is to keep the team in the Phoenix metro area. If the team wanted a move to Hamilton, Ontario or Hartford, Connecticut; preferably in a new arena proposed in Fairfield County, Connecticut, it needs to be reported in the article with the citations needed. The new owner of the Coyotes franchise has to repair the financial losses or expect the Coyotes to fold operations after the 2010-11 season ends. Mike D 26 (talk) 22:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Bankruptcy split[edit]

I propose that we split the text from the bankruptcy into a new article, that can be referenced from both the NHL season page and the Phoenix Coyotes page. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

  • I don't really think that is necessary to have its own article. This is exactly the sort of information that should be found on the coyotes season page. We even have a section on team season pages for just this sort of information. So basically to sum it up, I would put a summary on this page and then a see also link into the section on the season article which would have the bulk of this information. This is what season pages are for. -DJSasso (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
    • It would really dominate the Coyotes' season page. Is that appropriate? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
      • It probably is a close line. I should say I am not against it being on its own, I am just mostly trying to see if there isn't a better way. But I think this story probably did dominate the season or atleast the off-season for the team so that might be appropriate. I just know we are always looking to try and beef up our season articles with more prose. This might be a good way to accomplish that. -DJSasso (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
        • It may be the most important story of the time period that the season covers, but the season is really about the play, no? I agree we need more prose on the NHL team season articles. But, most of those articles are still pretty new, with only a backbone. There will be more added, I'm sure. There is the potential, certainly. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Split it & leave a brief summary (with link to new article). GoodDay (talk) 15:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd say split. Even if we wanted to, the amount of history and information would drown the season article as well. Hell, if anyone had the time or desire, they could write a GA/FA from the amount of coverage this received. Resolute 21:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
    Alright lets give it a split. However, I now challenge you to make it a FA Resolute. ;) haha -DJSasso (talk) 23:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
    rofl, that would make for an interesting TFA! —Krm500 (Communicate!) 23:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
    We need a picture of Redfield Baum. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 23:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
    • Well now, that certainly is an interesting challenge, lol! I think I might take you up on it, though it'll be a slow one... focusing on the Terry Fox FAC right now and referencing our BLPs. But this could be a fun one to bring up! Resolute 00:26, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Bankruptcy section vs. bankruptcy article[edit]

Most of the details in the bankruptcy section should be moved to the larger article Phoenix Coyotes bankruptcy, since it is apparently here to stay (though I'm not up to the editing right now). Doprendek (talk) 20:00, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

This is what is known as summary style. On this page we give a brief description, but the majority of the information is found on the other page. The bankruptcy will for a long time (if not forever) be a major part of the history of this franchise so will always have a place on the main team page. -DJSasso (talk) 20:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The reason i put that important thing[edit]

Because the Coyotes could transfer to a city before the next NHL season, if nobody buys the team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.235.61 (talk) 02:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution, but I have reverted the addition. While it is possible that the team could yet relocate, that is pure speculation at this point, and Wikipedia does not deal in what might happen. The Coyotes' future is well documented in the Phoenix Coyotes bankruptcy article. Thanks, Resolute 04:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

What a load.

Talk of them possibly moving back to Winnipeg SHOULD be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.73.197.35 (talk) 03:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

2009 Bankruptcy information[edit]

The last line of the bankruptcy paragraph is in error, I believe.

"The NHL has set a December 31, 2010 deadline for the sale or it will seek to transfer the franchise to another city."

I recall reading somewhere that the NHL wasn't going to outright seek to transfer the franchise, but would be open to deals with buyers who were interested in possibly relocating the team.

If anyone can find a source for that, would it be worth it to change that sentence? (New to wikipedia editing) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naur3l (talkcontribs) 07:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

According to New England Sports Network (NESN) website nesn.com on March 14, 2011 that if True North Sports and Entertainment buy the Phoenix Coyotes. They have informed SportsLogos.Net that the name of the team will be the Manitoba Moose. Currently that is the name of the AHL Team in Winnipeg that is owned by True North Sports and Entertainment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.124.130.132 (talk) 01:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

How is what the National Post (a CANADIAN NEWSPAPER) thinks about a deal that does not concern them in any way shape or form valid in a non-biased article? That's an absolute garbage addition that should be removed immediately. If you want to post some criticism, think Arizona Republic or a local newspaper that has a grasp on what's going on LOCALLY. 72.208.181.15 (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Greg

Well because a newspaper that is not local is more likely to be unbiased than a local paper that has to pander to advertisers and business people in the local market etc. But either way its a highly reputable newspaper and that is all we require. -DJSasso (talk) 16:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
The NHL is a multi-national league and its business dealings are of interest to numerous locales. That the National Post is not local to Phoenix does not invalidate it as a source. That being said, I fail to see what make's the NP's opinion at one moment in time particularly notable in this case. Resolute 21:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Someone who criticizes a source because it isn't local obviously doesn't understand what Wikipedia is about. Taroaldo 21:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Sale[edit]

"Glendale made a deal with Matt Hulsizer who will buy the team from the NHL and become the Owner of the Phoenix Coyotes."

No he won't. This doesn't reflect the actuality of the situation at all. Hulsizer and the city of Glendale are currently engaged in a failing deal that will ultimately not end up with him owning the team. Much of the section is flawed. It should say something about the bonds that aren't selling, Goldwater's pending lawsuit and True North's plans to buy and return the team to Winnipeg. The article as it is makes an assumption that will almost certainly be proven wrong. He's trying to buy the team; he's not going to buy the team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.172.148 (talk) 06:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The events you discuss belong more at Phoenix Coyotes bankruptcy article where they can be treated in depth, while this one should ultimately only cover the gory details at a higher level. The existing statement, while poorly constructed is accurate: Glendale, the NHL and Hulsizer have a deal in place that would see him become the team's owner. The bond issue is covered in more detail in the bankruptcy article, while Goldwater's threatened (not impending) lawsuit is also mentioned. It is only speculation that True North has plans to buy and return the team to Winnipeg, so it is not appropriate to make such a statement as if it were fact. Resolute 16:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Quebec[edit]

Any more news on the conspiracy regarding the Coyotes moving to Quebec? AmericanLeMans (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Players' birthplaces[edit]

Whose interesting idea was it to put birthplaces in the countries that no longer exist? Czechoslovakia? USSR? I understand the idea, but it still looks somewhat strange. Nomad (talk) 08:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

  • It is, in fact, SOP - and always has been - to list birthplaces in biographical articles as being in the countries then in place at the time of birth. This is nothing new. Ravenswing 17:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Altering the historical birth place of an individual introduces anachronisms, and consequently, errors. One cannot say that Michal Rozsival, for instance, was born in the Czech Republic because the Czech Republic did not exist when he was born. Resolute 22:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
  • From personal experience, passports will have the country as what it was at the time the person was born. So, the country of origin is given as Soviet Union, instead of Ukraine or Russia etc., (or whatever the case may be). Maxim(talk) 23:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Your personal experience in what country? I was born in the USSR and my passport states the birthplace as it is NOW. To avoid confusion. And as far as I know, Ukrainian passports do the same. Nomad (talk) 09:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Team Records incongruent with all time team leaders[edit]

Why does the team record section exclude the days as Winnipeg Jets but the all time leaders include it? Makes no sense. Fidn it insulting as a Coyotes fan that we're including points obtained when teh team was located in Canada — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.253.19 (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Because the NHL recognizes records for a franchise, not a city. Whether you find it insulting or not, the official scoring leader in franchise history remains Dale Hawerchuk. Ravenswing 07:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Reference problem[edit]

The eighth reference in the article, regarding the sale to Jamison, is not a real reference. It appear to just be a headline with no link or further identifying information. I assume this was just a mistake on the part of the editor who added, but it obviously needs to be fixed. Tad Lincoln (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move to Arizona Coyotes[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. Hot Stop talk-contribs 21:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


Phoenix CoyotesArizona Coyotes – Arizona Coyotes is the new name of Arizona's National Hockey League team Jax 0677 (talk) 18:18, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose: No it's not. Not until the 2014-15 season. From the article itself: Under the new ownership group, the team's name will be changed to Arizona Coyotes. following the conclusion of the 2013–14 season.Echoedmyron (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Surf to the team's website, and you see this giant honking banner: "Official Website of the PHOENIX COYOTES." What's the nom's basis for thinking otherwise? Ravenswing 18:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Request to withdraw nom - I was not aware of name change starting in 2014. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:04, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Date for Coyotes name change[edit]

Just an FYI, the Phoenix Coyotes have given us the official date for their name change to the Arizona Coyotes (June 27, which is draft day). Canuck89 (what's up?) 00:32, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly, and until that time, the team name and history should remain as is. You can't have a name change that hasn't taken effect yet be valid until "present".Echoedmyron (talk) 01:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Who said I was requesting a name change today? If I wanted that, I would have filed an RM. Canuck89 (converse with me) 01:55, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Either way I move protected it until the 27th because there is no reason to move it before then anyways...and based on other sports teams changing their names recently there will likely be a bunch of move warring surrounding it if left unprotected. -DJSasso (talk) 12:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I didn't say you were, Caunckian. Someone else had put that in the infobox and I removed it. Echoedmyron (talk) 16:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was protected? IPs are still changing the name in the article. Echoedmyron (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Djsasso move protected the article, but it remains open for editing. I'm riding the fence on edit protection at the moment, since less than one attempt per day does not seem burdensome relative to denying the possibility of other editors adding concrete updates. But if it does happen again, I probably will protect it - assuming someone else doesn't first. Resolute 15:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

New AHL affliiate[edit]

Coyotes Announce New Affiliation Agreement with Springfield of the AHL http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=763720 but it doesn't say when it come into effect, so I haven't updated the article. 109.149.69.224 (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Affiliations change over during the off-season, so I would say that you should feel free to update once the NHL and AHL post-seasons conclude. Cheers! Resolute 17:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Couple of edits to be done[edit]

194.28.124.52 (talk) 02:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Yellow check.svg Partly done: done point 1. Stickee (talk) 02:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Forgot we had two picks in the first round - please add "& Nick Merkley (30th overall)" to the First-round draft picks sub-section for 2015.[ http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=98465]194.28.124.53 (talk) 04:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done  B E C K Y S A Y L E 19:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add the following between #5 Staff and #7 References - as it's not linked on the page I only came across it by accident today. "==See also== List of Arizona Coyotes players" 194.28.124.53 (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done  B E C K Y S A Y L E 19:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

New Jerseys[edit]

Can someone with more ability than me please update the jerseys as per the announcement and ask for the edit to be made (if unable to do so themselves)? 194.28.124.53 (talk) 04:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I added the new uniforms to the Hebrew version of this article. Probably not 100% precise, there are people here who are better than me at this. Also, you will need to flip the home and away uniforms, as Hebrew is written from right to left. Tdunsky (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

New player and coach[edit]

Please add the following to the current roster: John Scott Ref: http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=774524

And please add the following to the coaching staff as Assistant Coach: John Slaney Ref: http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=774528

Many thanks, 194.28.124.55 (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Roster template[edit]

There seem to be a lot of players on the roster template that don't currently show on the Coyotes.com roster page. Am I right in thinking players like Strome and Dvorak shouldn't be added until it's confirmed they're playing on the main team this season, rather than the AHL? 31.50.66.90 (talk) 19:14, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

  • I think that no one who the Coyotes don't think is on their current roster should be on their current roster, regardless of who might have been signed to two-way contracts. Ravenswing 11:22, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Roadrunner's owner(s)?[edit]

With Barroway's buy-out of the other owners, does that mean he is now the sole owner of the Roadrunners, or are they still part-owned by IceArizona? 194.28.124.53 (talk) 03:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)