Talk:Atiyah ibn Sa'd

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Atiyah ibn Sa'd and Muhammad ibn Qasim

Atiyah ibn Sa'd supported the revolt of Al-Ash'ath and his campaign against al-Hajjāj, the Umayyad viceroy of Iraq under Caliph Al-Walid I. The revolt was suppressed and Al-Ash’ath was killed in 85 AH. after which Atiyah fled to Fars.^[1] Al-Hajjāj ordered Muhammad bin Qasim then governor of Fars, to summon Atiyah and demand him to curse Ali. ^[2]

If Atiyah refused, he was to be flogged four hundred times and his head and beard shaved as humiliation.^[3] ^[4] Al-Tabari narrates that Atiyah refused to curse Ali and he was punished. According to Chachnama, he was the commander of the right wing of bin Qasim's army after the conquest of Armabil.^[5] Modern historians, like Yohanan Friedmann and André Wink, question the historical authenticity of this claim in Chachnama^[6]. Friedmann writes:-

"One of the most conspicuous elements of this kind is the large number of warriors and traditionists (scholars of Hadith) who figure in the Chachnama and are absent in other accounts of the conquest"^[7].

Other early historians like Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani and Tabari record that he moved on to Khurasan and returned to Iraq after the ruler had been changed.^[8]^[9] Dr. Hamza Ebrahim (talk) 16:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Hamza Ebrahim (talk) 16:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Landau-Tasseron, Ella (1988), History of al-Tabari Vol. 39, The: Biographies of the Prophet's Companions and Their Successors, SUNY Press, pp. 228–229, ISBN 978-1-4384-0998-6
^ Derryl N. Maclean," Religion and Society in Arab Sind", p. 126, BRILL, (1989) ISBN 90-04-08551-3.
^ Landau-Tasseron, Ella (1988), History of al-Tabari Vol. 39, The: Biographies of the Prophet's Companions and Their Successors, SUNY Press, pp. 228–229, ISBN 978-1-4384-0998-6
^ Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib", Volume 7, page 226, Narrator no. 413.
^ R. S. Sharma; K. M. Shrimali, eds. (2008) [first published 1957], A Comprehensive History of India, Vol. 4, Part 2, Indian History Congress / People's Publishing House, p. 173: "Apart from Musa b. Yaqub Thaqafi..., there were a number of individuals who came to Sindh in the wake of the Umayyad conquest, but chose not to settle in the region. One such person was 'Atiyah b. Sad al-Awfi, the renowned Shiite traditionalist."
^ Andre Wink (2002), Al-Hind, the Making of the Indo-Islamic World: Early Medieval India and the Expansion of Islam 7th-11th Centuries, Brill Academic, ISBN 978-0391041738, pages 192-196.
^ Friedmann, Yohann (1984), "The origins and significance of the Chach Nāma", Islam in Asia: South Asia, Magnes Press/Westview Press, pp. 23–37, ISBN 978-965-223-521-3
^ History of al-Tabari Vol. 39, pp. 228, under "Those Who Died in the Year 111", State University of New York Press, (1998).
^ Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib", Volume 7, pp 226, narrator no. 413.

That's content not true

He was weak in hadith by ahly sunnah sect , only few hadith imams said in some hadiths he was true , bit actul he was weak and changing hadith narrations with his own words as we call tadlees in hadith , but in shia sect only call he was true and sheikh in hadith 151.253.243.242 (talk) 14:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Landau-Tasseron, Ella (1988), History of al-Tabari Vol. 39, The: Biographies of the Prophet's Companions and Their Successors, SUNY Press, pp. 228–229, ISBN 978-1-4384-0998-6

[2] Derryl N. Maclean," Religion and Society in Arab Sind", p. 126, BRILL, (1989) ISBN 90-04-08551-3.

[Tabari-3] Landau-Tasseron, Ella (1988), History of al-Tabari Vol. 39, The: Biographies of the Prophet's Companions and Their Successors, SUNY Press, pp. 228–229, ISBN 978-1-4384-0998-6

[Asqalani-4] Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib", Volume 7, page 226, Narrator no. 413.

[5] R. S. Sharma; K. M. Shrimali, eds. (2008) [first published 1957], A Comprehensive History of India, Vol. 4, Part 2, Indian History Congress / People's Publishing House, p. 173: "Apart from Musa b. Yaqub Thaqafi..., there were a number of individuals who came to Sindh in the wake of the Umayyad conquest, but chose not to settle in the region. One such person was 'Atiyah b. Sad al-Awfi, the renowned Shiite traditionalist."

[6] Andre Wink (2002), Al-Hind, the Making of the Indo-Islamic World: Early Medieval India and the Expansion of Islam 7th-11th Centuries, Brill Academic, ISBN 978-0391041738, pages 192-196.

[7] Friedmann, Yohann (1984), "The origins and significance of the Chach Nāma", Islam in Asia: South Asia, Magnes Press/Westview Press, pp. 23–37, ISBN 978-965-223-521-3

[8] History of al-Tabari Vol. 39, pp. 228, under "Those Who Died in the Year 111", State University of New York Press, (1998).

[9] Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani, "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib", Volume 7, pp 226, narrator no. 413.

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