Talk:Baháʼí Faith and Hinduism

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Not comparing the two religions in a bilateral way[edit]

I saw the articles and archived through to compare it to all the other comparative religion articles. All articles comparing Buddhism, Christianity, Mormonism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Theospohy, etc. has similarities, differences, each religions relationship to the other, each religion intereactions with the other, each religions influence on the other, etc. But this article only present a one sided Bahai dominated article unlike all the other religion comparison articles. It's not bad enough to be put up for deletion, but is heavily in need of reform. --149.162.123.183 (talk) 18:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not actually compare the two religion. It rather seems to be more about Hinduism in the contest of the Bahai Faith, Hinduism in the Bahai Faith, Bahai Faith presents Hinduism, etc. than a true comparison.--149.162.123.183 (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comparisons listed above. --70.194.69.100 (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Better relevant comparison summary below.

How does Bahai Faith and Hinduism compare to the above articles? When Hinduism and Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, and Sikhism are compared you get a bilateral comparison of the two religion. But, this article seems just to be about what Bahai's believe about Hinduism. --70.194.69.100 (talk) 01:50, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All one needs to do is compare the article introductions.

The practices and goals of Buddhism and Hinduism have similarities and differences. The Theravada Buddhism is relatively conservative, and generally closest to the early form of Buddhism. However, the more historical or beginning forms of Hinduism and the teachings of Buddha have pronounced differences, as evident in the recorded materials of the Pali Canon of the Theravada school of Buddhism. The historical Vedic religion, Buddhism, Jainism, and the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, which is considered among the very earliest Upanishads,[1] (the Upanishad text was compiled under King Janaka of Mithila) all share a common cultural theme influenced by the north eastern areas of India, modern day eastern Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Nepal. Hinduism and Buddhism have shared parallel beliefs that have existed side by side.[2] The influence of Upanishads, earliest philosophical texts of Hindus, on Buddhism has been a subject of debate among scholars. While Radhakrishnan, Oldenberg and Neumann were convinced of Upanishadic influence on the Buddhist canon, Eliot and Thomas highlighted the points where Buddhism was opposed to Upanishads.[3] Buddhism may have been influenced by some Upanishadic ideas, it however discarded their orthodox tendencies.[4] In Buddhist texts he is presented as rejecting avenues of salvation as "pernicious views".[5] Later Indian religious thoughts were influenced by this interpretation and novel ideas of the Buddhist tradition of beliefs.[6] The period between 5th and 9th century CE was the most brilliant epoch in the development of Indian philosophy as Hindu and Buddhist philosophies flourished side by side.[7] Buddhism attained prominence in the Indian subcontinent, but was ultimately eclipsed in the 11th century CE at its point of origin by Hinduism and Islam. While Buddhism declined in India, Buddhism continued outside of India. Tibetan Buddhism is the predominant religion in the Himalayan region while Theravada Buddhism continues in Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia, and Mahayana Buddhism continues in India, East Asia and among the Chinese diaspora.

In the field of comparative religion, some have sought to discover similarities between Hinduism and other religions. Hinduism has a history of co-existence with Buddhism and Jainism (the Shramana traditions), and more recently, with Sikhism, within the Indian subcontinent. Consequently, these religious traditions share a number terms and concepts such as dharma and karma.

Hindu – Islamic relations began when Islamic influence first came to be felt in the Indian subcontinent during the early 7th century. Hinduism and Islam are two of the world’s three largest religions. Hinduism is the socio-religious way of life of the Hindu people of the Indian subcontinent, their diaspora, and some other regions which had Hindu influence in the ancient and medieval times. Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion in which the supreme deity is Allah (Arabic: الله‎ "the God": see God in Islam), the last Islamic prophet being Muhammad ibn Abdullah, whom Muslims believe delivered the Islamic scripture, the Qur'an. Hinduism mostly shares common terms with the dhārmic religions, including Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism. Islam shares common terms with the Abrahamic religions–those religions claiming descent from the prophet Abraham–the others being, from oldest to youngest, Judaism, and Christianity. The Qur'an is the primary Islamic scripture. Muslims believe it to be the verbatim, uncreated word of Allah. Second to this in religious authority, and whence many practices of Islam derive, especially for Sunnis, are the Sunni six major collections of hadīth, which are traditional records of the sayings and acts of Muhammad. The scriptures of Hinduism are the Shrutis (the four Vedas, which comprise the original Vedic Hymns, or Samhitas, and three tiers of commentaries upon the Samhitas, namely the Brahmanas, Aranyakas and Upanishads [1]); these are considered authentic, authoritative divine revelation. Furthermore, Hinduism is also based on the Smritis (including the Rāmāyana, the Bhagavad Gītā [part of the Mahabharata cycle], and the Purānas), which are considered to be of secondary authority and of human creation. The below article briefly describes some of the many differences and some similarities between Hinduism and Islam.

The historical interaction between Sikhism and Hinduism occurred because both were founded on the Indian Subcontinent and have the majority of their followers there.

Hinduism is recognized in the Bahá'í Faith as one of nine known religions and its scriptures are regarded as predicting the coming of Bahá'u'lláh (Kalki avatar). Krishna is included in the succession of Manifestations of God. The authenticity of the Hindu scriptures is seen as uncertain.[1]

The last one shows a bias not present in the other ones. --70.194.69.100 (talk) 02:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Bahá'í Faith and Hinduism[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bahá'í Faith and Hinduism's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "hatcher118":

  • From Incarnation: Hatcher, W.S.; Martin, J.D. (1998). The Bahá'í Faith: The Emerging Global Religion. San Francisco: Harper & Row. p. 118. ISBN 0-87743-264-3.
  • From Bahá'í Faith and the unity of religion: Hatcher & Martin 1998, p. 118

Reference named "manifestation":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 11:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removing "Gandhi and Tagore" section.[edit]

This entire section needs good independent secondary sources. All the citations are from Baha'i sources. Those may be good sources for Bahaipedia but not for wikipedia. I am removing that section, please add it when you have independent secondary sources to support the section.Serv181920 (talk) 10:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fake information[edit]

This article is unreliable. No where does Bahá'u'lláh match description of kalki from hindu scriptures. A fake claim by the author of this article. Parv473 (talk) 13:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The information is cited. Additional citations:

  • "Baha'i: History, Beliefs, Practices" by Christoner Buck, in Handbook of Religion, A Christian Engagement with Traditions, Teachings, and Practices, eds Terry C. Muck, Harold. A. Netland, and Gerald R. McDermott, published by Baker Academic, Grand Rapids MI, 2014, ISBN 9780801037764, OCLC 1105233133, p716
  • “The Eschatology of Globalization: the multiple-messiahship of Bahá’u’lláh revisited”, by Christopher Buck, in Studies in Modern Religions, Religious Movements and the Bábí-Bahá’í Faiths, ed Moshe Sharon, of series Studies in the History of Religions, series eds W. J. Hanegraaff, P. Pratapkumar, v104, published by Brill, Leiden/Boston, 2004, ISBN 9004139044, ISSN 0169-8834, OCLC 200622393, p157

Smkolins (talk) 14:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As we're not getting anywhere and you are continuing to wipe away not just bits of cited information but whole sections I'm going to withdraw from further editing. However if this continues you will be listed in an edit war.Smkolins (talk) 14:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are making claims based on a recources(vishnu purana) then bringing article that has nothing to do with the related scripture. While making claims please write detail of the verse u took reference and which chapter it is from recources(vishnu purana).thnk u Parv473 (talk) 14:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are making the claims, and they don't depend on scripture. Wikipedia values reliable sources. Please change you editing behavior. Smkolins (talk) 15:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok you mention a name of book and as per your article whatever is written in your article is based on that book.
Yet you gave no specific reference from which section was that article based on.
Tommorrow if am writing an article based on population demography of specific a country and I claim that my resources come from specific article I should be able to show where and which section from the article was this information taken from.
Same you openly mentioned vishnu puran but never provided any reference from it.
When you mention something next time please do specify from which section o you took out the information.
Dont mention one recource then u bring information from a completely different source to validate it.
Thank you. Parv473 (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Parv473, you might want to read over WP:Core content policies. This page is not written particularly well, but articles should describe points of view based on how those points of view are described in reliable secondary sources. Arguments cannot be resolved by quoting primary sources, so quoting Hindu or Baha'i scripture is irrelevant. I will try to fix the article and make the wording more neutral. If you know of any published commentary on the Baha'i Faith from a Hindu point of view, please share. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:26, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no issue in whatever you posted just mention the direct source from which you are taking information. According to your article as a reader it looks like your information is based dirrectly from the book when you actually took information from a specific website. Dont take information from one source then you write another resource. The reason why I was erasing that part was as a reader who dont know how to edit or check where your recources coming from It look like you based it directly from vishnu purana which is not the case. Dont specify vishnu purana there but specify the site from where u took your recourses because it will create confusion otherwise I have no problem with the article in overall. Parv473 (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In short the specific part which I was constantly editing was looking confusing that why I was removing it. You can re-write it just dont mention purana mention the website or article from where you take this information so that it dont confuse other readers. Thank you Parv473 (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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