Talk:Baker Botts

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COI edits[edit]

From time to time, this article gets conflict of interest edits from Baker Botts employees. I'd encourage such persons to read WP:COI, WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NPOV before attempting to improve the article. I'd also suggest they post significant content changes here for review by neutral editors, rather than directly into the article. Trivial fixes (spelling, formatting) and vandalism repair directly on the article are also welcome. Studerby 18:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I am an employee of Baker Botts. I would like to update the information in this article to show that there are around 730 lawyers, not the 700 indictated in the article. I would also like to list the cities where Baker Botts has offices and the 6 departments that make up the firm. I don't see this as a conflict of interest. Are those additions possible? 204.194.98.34 16:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Surely. Write what you think is appropriate on this talk page, and supply reliable sources (for this article, for these purposes, the Baker Botts web site is considered a reliable source, as are standard law directories). If it's appropriately neutral in tone and non-promotional, we'll get it in the main article... The previous version of the material was too much of a "directory of services"; remember that you're writing for an encyclopedia article for a general audience, not a promo item for someone looking for legal services. Studerby 20:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

when it became Baker Botts[edit]

In the article it says that [quote:]

In 2000, the firm renamed itself Baker Botts .  

In my opinion, a change to that sentence should be considered, because I seem to recall that the firm was referred to as "Baker Botts", at least informally, *way* before 2000. The reference given as the authority for the statement quoted above, is http://www.bakerbotts.com/about/history/, -- a "history" page from the firm's web site. That is fine, except that this "history" page does not say that the name was something other than "Baker Botts" prior to the year 2000. What it does say, is that [quote:] "The name continued to change slightly throughout the decades until 2000, when the official name became Baker Botts L.L.P.". The change that took place at that time (2000), may have been something minor, such as the addition of the suffix "L.L.P." to the name "Baker Botts". This would fit in with the info in my next paragraph; and if it is true, then the above quote (in a blue "dotted line" box) is off base -- at best, misleading.

Many Houston residents can probably remember, (without even having to consult old newspapers and magazines, letters, stationery, and statements of billable hours, etc.) whether or not the firm did already have the name "Baker Botts" way before the year 2000. My brother, David Schwartz, worked for the firm, (mostly during the 1980s), and I do not remember it being called anything other than "Baker Botts" when he worked there. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 01:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Client and office lists[edit]

Both seemed trivial for an encyclopedia entry so I've removed them. Every page of the firm's website lists all the offices, and I summarized the client list into "more than half of the Fortune 100 companies" in the opening paragraph (taken from the firm's website verbatim). If anyone disagrees, of course, I'm more than happy to discuss it. JohnHarris (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Notable partners and employees[edit]

Another editor has added a partner who has been found in contempt of court as a "notable partner". This partner has no coverage in reliable sources per WP:GNG and WP:BLP. The editor has refused to respond to queries on his or her user page, deleting my attempts to communicate with him or her. I am removing this partner from the list of notable partners as the only sources provided are primary sources. This addition fails WP:NOR and WP:BLP and potentially exposes Wikipedia to legal risks. If we listed every lawyer who has been censored by the courts or a bar association Wikipedia would be full of non-notable lawyers. Please do not add anyone to the list of notable partners and employees unless that person is sufficiently notable to warrant their own page. Pburka (talk) 02:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Few lawyers have ever been in the position that this man is in. Not only contempt, but also Criminal Perjury Extortion Evesdropping. These documents are filed on Pacer in the US Federal Courts and he is under investigation for his criminal conduct in California. The court filed documents are in upon themselves enough to substantiate notability within WP:BLP. I am going to revert your edits. --WPPilot 04:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
a) We don't (normally) use primary sources like that on Wikipedia b) the standard on pretty much every other article for inclusion in a "notable" list is the existence of a Wikipedia article on the person. We keep to that standard here as well. No bio article = no inclusion here. Get a bio article on the guy (and it survives review by other editors as a valid article), and inclusion here would be fine and non-controversial. Do things in the proper order please. Studerby (talk) 04:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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