Talk:Balance of power (Parliament)
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Inappropriate use of 'globalise' template
The placement of this template under a heading which explicitly deals with one country seems to me to be just plain silly. Unless someone else acts first, I intend to lift it after a few days if there is no intelligible justification. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 05:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- The problem I see is that the UK material is in the wrong article. The article's meant to explain the meaning BOP, but instead has a series of longwinded examples which are irrelevant to anyone not interested in UK political history, and so detract from the article. By all means put it in an article called something like "UK Minority governments", but it's out of place here. p.s. it wasn't me who put the template in. Peter Ballard (talk) 05:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- The article has some (limited) discussion regarding the Australian Senate, so I have added a heading for this. This section could expanded slightly for reference to the House of Representatives at federal level and houses at state/territory level.
- As for the UK, I have renamed the heading to make it clear that the section deals exclusively with the UK. If someone has a better article for this to go into, feel free to relocate it.
Either include more countries in the examples (such as Canada, which is not only the largest Commonwealth country, but is a PERFECT example for this article), or otherwise delete the examples section. Why are we only concentrating on U.K/Austr. only?
What about Canada ?!!!?!
Why are the examples in this article of the UK and Australia only?!
Canada, the largest of the Commonwealth countries has MANY excellent examples for "balance of power", especially considering the string of minority governments recently AND in its history. The NDP (New Democratic Party of Canada) usually ends up holding the balance of power in a minority parliament, and if the minority governing party is the Liberal Party (which, in Canada's history, it usually IS, either in a minority or majority), then this usually results in a beautiful cooperation to bring in very progressive centre-left policies (hence why Canada is not a conservative country).
Although most of our progressive economic and social policies were enacted by the Liberal Party, MANY of them were during minority governments, and it was the NDP who introduced them and informed them that their continued support would require the implementation of those policies; and since the Liberals are progressive anyway, they usually (almost always) happily agree and work together.
And, since Canada's existence has been governed almost 75% by the Liberal Party (majorities AND minorities), a minority gov't is always indicative that there will be a progressive approach to everything due to the NDP holding the balance of power.
Unfortunately, the Conservatives (Tories) are usually in opposition to these policies and rarely agree to such cooperation. Luckily, though, Canada's population is about 75% left-of-centre, so we don't get many Tory governments because the majority of the voters support a centre-left party (Liberal, NDP, Green or Bloc Quebecois), and Tory governments (especially majorities) are usually short-lived anyway, because after they start pushing their right-wing agenda through, Canadians immediately throw them out.
If you're going to give examples in this article, then it should include countries such as Canada because of its significance and size. Otherwise, then there shouldn't be ANY country-specific examples.
So, we should either include Canada and other countries, or not include ANY countries at all. It makes no sense to focus solely on the U.K and Australia. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
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This article is an absolute, unmitigated mess
There's so much wrong with it that its hard to know where to begin. I don't know very much about British politics, but the Australian and U.S sections are quite terrible.
Australia: This section doesn't list any examples like the others do, nor does it precisely define the use and operation of the term "balance of power". And then the section ends with this: "If no party holds a majority of seats in the lower house, it is necessary to form a coalition with other members of parliament in order to form a stable government, rather than rely on the support of crossbenchers who hold the balance of power." Not only is this pure opinion, its the most ludicrous opinion I've ever heard. Why in God's name is it necessary to form a coalition rather than rely on the support of crossbenchers, especially since that is exactly what happened after our last hung parliament a mere five years ago?
United Kingdom: The section contains this: "Conservative 306, Labour 258, Liberal Democrats 57, Others 29. Total seats 650. This election led to David Cameron's Conservative Party being the largest party with no majority. However no two parties (other than Conservative and Labour) could jointly provide a majority in the House of Commons." Now, I may not know much about British politics, but I do know how to count, and 306 conservatives + 57 liberal democrats = 363, which is well over a majority of 650.
United States: This section makes repeated references to "minority governments" and "coalitions". Unless I am missing something, I don't see how the concept of a minority government can make any sense in the united states, which doesn't have a parliamentary system. It seems that "minority government" is being used as something akin to "voting alliance" or "voting bloc", but interchanging minority government for voting bloc is so bizzare that I'm not even sure if that's the case. Moreover, I can't even see how the concept of "balance of power" is very meaningful to the U.S, given that party allegiances don't seem to mean very much in that country. How can one party hold the balance of power if voting alliances change on every piece of legislation?
I am reluctant to remove some of the sentences mentioned above since they seem so bizzare that I feel I may have misinterpreted what they're trying to say. However if no one can make sense of it all, I propose removing the whole U.S section, rewriting the Australian section so it follows the form of the others, and removing the part about no two parties other than conservative and labour having a majority after the U.K election. Colonial Overlord (talk) 12:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)