Talk:Basil McCrea

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Politics of the United Kingdom

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Unionism in Ireland (defunct)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Unionism in Ireland, a project which is currently considered to be defunct.Unionism in IrelandWikipedia:WikiProject Unionism in IrelandTemplate:WikiProject Unionism in IrelandUnionism in Ireland articles

Ireland Low‑importance

	Ireland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ireland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Ireland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IrelandWikipedia:WikiProject IrelandTemplate:WikiProject IrelandIreland articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Northern Ireland

	Northern Ireland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Northern Ireland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Northern IrelandWikipedia:WikiProject Northern IrelandTemplate:WikiProject Northern IrelandNorthern Ireland-related articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

Recent addition

I am going to remove the addition of a few minutes ago, and am going to explain why here first. The source does not outline what it is claimed to. The only reference to McCrea is in the opening two paragraphs which are

“

ULSTER Unionist leader Sir Reg Empey was last night facing a vote of no confidence among the members of his party on Lisburn City Council. The UUP group of seven councillors -- which includes MLA Basil McCrea -- were also threatening to relinquish the party whip, which would -- if a vote was unanimous -- leave the party without a single representative on the once UUP dominated authority.

”

Clearly, to say that McCrea is "involved in a threat" is unverifiable. This is verifiable on the party of Ronnie Crawford, but not Basil McCrea. Therefore the edit is potentially defamatoryTraditional unionist (talk)

Traditional Unionist - That should cover your concerns. Resorting to a request to shut down editing is juvenile to say the least. On the issue of 'threat' I would say that a party grouping on a council talking about a no confidence vote on their leader can be considered a 'threat'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reggie Yoof (talk • contribs) 16:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, you are extrapolating from a source something it doesn't say. All the source confirms is that Ronnie Crawford is proposing something to a group of people which includes Basil McCrea.Traditional unionist (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cllr. Crawford has stated publically that the UUP Council Group in Lisburn City Council, which includes Basil McCrea are prepared to put a vote of no confidence in Sir Reg Empey. Then they go further and threaten a vote on relinguishing party whip. As the linked article states:

“

ULSTER Unionist leader Sir Reg Empey was last night facing a vote of no confidence among the members of his party on Lisburn City Council.

”

My edits reflect that fact.--Reggie Yoof (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source does not say that the statement is on behalf of the Councillors, indeed it refers to what might happen "if" the vote was unanimous. The only person who can be identified as sympathetic to the statement is Ronnie Crawford. No one else. Per the header on this page, I will again remove the statement immediately.Traditional unionist (talk) 17:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you stated before the source states:

“

The UUP group of seven councillors -- which includes MLA Basil McCrea -- were also threatening to relinquish the party whip

”

As my edits indicated the vote has not taken place yet, but the threat of one is still there. This is relevant to Basil McCrea in his council life as well as his life as a MLA.--Reggie Yoof (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Except that it is not clear that McCrea is sympathetic to this move. The source makes clear that there is nothing to say there is unanimous support.Traditional unionist (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Traditonal Unionist's actions here in removing a perfectly valid paragraph are unsprising in that they hammer home his or her pro UUP partisian nature used in his or her contributions on wikipedia. The information is refrenced, and should stay. 143.117.225.197 (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional Unionist - Included in my edit are the words 'potential' and I have clearly stated from the begining that a vote of no confidence has not yet taken place. I have taken your comments on board and edited my own contributions to reflect your concerns. If the paragraph is removed again the simple conclusion is that you are engaged in acts of vandalism.--Reggie Yoof (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit implicated McCrea in an action that there is no evidence he is involved in. That is potentially defamatory. There is nothing to link McCrea to this story other than the fact he is a member of the group reported to be considering an action. The paragraph is therefore not noteworthy in relation to this article in the first place, and your construction of the paragraph leads to potential legal action. That cannot remain on the article.Traditional unionist (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Admin

I cited the wrong two policies in my 3RR edit summary. I ment WP:IGNORE and WP:BLP.Traditional unionist (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I request that the undo performed by Traditional Unionist is reversed and the last paragraph as detailed below is included:

McCrea, as part of the UUP Councillor team on Lisburn City Council, have indicated that the potential for a vote of no confidence on their party leader Sir Reg Empey is being considered. Deputy Mayor Cllr. Ronnie Crawford stated that this action "is a direct result of the leadership's failure" over their position on the prospect of a Stadium being built at the former Maze prison site^[1]A no confidence has yet to occur. McCrea is the only UUP MLA on Lisburn City Council.

--Reggie Yoof (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/UUP-leader-faces-vote-of.3815240.jp

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Basil McCrea. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080530110526/http://www.nimfg.co.uk:80/contact_us/ to http://www.nimfg.co.uk/contact_us

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 21:05, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/UUP-leader-faces-vote-of.3815240.jp

[1]