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Merger from Batin (Islam)[edit]

It seems to me that these two short articles, Batiniyya and Batin (Islam), belong together. There is not so much to say about the concept. --Bejnar (talk) 22:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


It would be helpful if the article explained why the term is pejorative. (talk) 00:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Batiniyya[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Batiniyya's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cia":

  • From Earth: Staff (2008-07-24). "World". The World Factbook. Central Intelligence Agency. Retrieved 2008-08-05. 
  • From Alevism: "Religions". CIA World Factbook. 
  • From Turkey: "Turkey". The World Factbook. Retrieved 9 February 2013. 
  • From Turkic peoples: "Turkey". The World Factbook. Retrieved 21 December 2014.  "Population: 81,619,392 (July 2014 est.)" "Ethnic groups: Turkish 70-75%, Kurdish 18%, other minorities 7-12% (2008 est.)" 70% of 81.6m = 57.1m, 75% of of 81.6m = 61.2m
  • From Jews: "Israel". The World Factbook. Central Intelligence Agency. 2007-06-19. Retrieved 2007-07-20. 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 11:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

July 2016 - References do not support the text[edit]

When I compare this page to, for example, the Encyclopedia Iranica and Brill's Encyclopedia of Islam (which are often a golden standard for Islam-related content), I get the feeling that the page on Wikipedia does not give the correct information. - HyperGaruda (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

The following is an incorrect statement[edit]

  1. Al-Ghazali, a medieval Sunni theologian, used the term batiniyya pejoratively for the adherents of Isma'ilism: It is not true since Al-Ghazali is a sufi, and even he has been called as a member of batiniyyah for the other people.
  2. Many batiniyyah groups call themselves proudly as Tasawwufî-Batiniyyah And they claim that they follow the Tasawwufî-Batiniyyah interpretation of the Quran. Hence, it is not considered as

pejorative. (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Iranica is a solid RS, but I'm reverting the addition because it's being misused. The citations don't support the text. I've checked them and they all failed verification. On the other hand, the statements you're commenting on above are all properly sourced, and you are attempting to counter them with WP:OR. Eperoton (talk) 22:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Sevener Isma'ilis and Qarmatians[edit]

@ The source you have added is missing crucial information to correctly verify statements, namely: chapter, volume and book, publication date, and most importantly, a quotation. So far, I have found this online version of Ahmet Cevdet's Kısas-ı Enbiya vol. II, book I. Page 12 of that book does not mention Batiniyya, Seveners, Qarmatians, nor their Turkish equivalents Bâtınîlik, Yediciler, Karmatîlik. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)