Talk:Bernie Fine

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Edit request from , 18 November 2011[edit]

Hi there, the very serious allegations/case currently in process against Bernie Fine should be added/mentioned on this page, even if just as allegations. He's currently been places on administrative leave, a notable move by Syracuse University.

thx much.

Andman1 (talk) 16:15, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 21:25, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 16:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 November 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Please add the following text under the section "College Coaching Career"...

Bernie Fine is the founding president of the Jewish coaches association.

source: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/11/syracuse-fires-accused-pedophile-234.html

thanks Yavass (talk) 03:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

A rather sneaky way of saying "He's Jewish! He's Jewish!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Done. I don't see a problem, but WP:BRD.  Chzz  ►  07:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I bit ;> That blog certainly does not seem like a reliable source, so the statement would need to be backed by one that is, I would think. Doc talk 08:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Allegations against Laurie Fine[edit]

I added the verbiage regarding the accusations that Laurie Fine engaged in sexual activities with Syracuse basketball players. Not sure if this is the best place for it, but there's not a page for Laurie (due to lack of notability). Kosmo99 (talk) 15:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Is he Jewish?[edit]

I'm not Jewish, and I'm pretty much a noob here. But "Fine" is commonly a Jewish surname (e.g., Larry Fine of the Three Stooges), and jewornotjew.com (http://jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1214) lists him as Jewish, as does the New Jersey Jewish News (http://njjewishnews.com/kaplanskorner/2011/11/29/bernie-fine-a-new-college-shanda/); meanwhile, Tablet Mag lists him as a founding member of the Jewish Coaches Association (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/83733/accused-fine-helped-found-jewish-coaches-assn/). I don't know how Wikipedia views any of these sources, but taken together they seem like pretty strong evidence that Fine should be listed in "Jewish sportspeople." MCM0313 (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if those sources pass the reliability test for an encyclopedia. It does seem likely that he is Jewish based on your points, but we need better sources to be able to verify that he is. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 21:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Of course, blame it all on the Jews.76.177.44.56 (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Coatrack reversion[edit]

See diff. What exactly is meant by the coatrack comment? I'm not sure how it applies to this edit. Do you mean that the Penn State child sex abuse scandal is a coatrack article? Because I was just adding one link for context, far from discussing that subject on this page. —Akrabbimtalk 15:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

You weren't just adding a link. You added your own comment and a link. Generally, material in articles should be noteworthy and supported by reliable sources. You were tying two events together, not because the sources tied them together, but because they are connected in your mind. Whether you call it coatrack or synthesis or OR, it's inappropriate.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, synthesis I can buy, but the removal didn't make sense with a coatrack justification. However, it's not hard to find an outside source to support the line I added: Yahoo Sports, for example. It's not a stretch that the Penn State scandal deserves at least a link in this section. —Akrabbimtalk 20:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
That's an opinion piece, but even if you could find more sources, it doesn't make sense for us to tie the two together in the way you did. There's bound to be sources that are discuss these kinds of scandals as there are commonalities, but unless we're going to an in-depth discussion of it, which wouldn't be warranted in an article about Fine, the offhand phrase smacks of superficial negative commentary. And don't forget that, unlike Sandusky, Fine was not charged with anything, let alone convicted; that, btw, is the coatracky part.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:52, 4 April 2013 (UTC)