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- 1 Comment
- 2 Passions
- 3 POV
- 4 McMahon or McMann
- 5 Westport, CT?
- 6 Time travel television series
- 7 Double bed
- 8 Double bed citation
- 9 A Vision Of Sugar Plums
- 10 Recycled Shows
- 11 Ray Fulmer
- 12 vs. All In the Family?
- 13 I Married a Witch
- 14 Tabitha?
- 15 Redundant Trivia section.
- 16 DVD section of Bewitched
- 17 Ratings For Bewitched
- 18 Witches' names
- 19 I Married a Witch, redux
- 20 Regarding Seasons 6 through 8
- 21 Edits
- 22 Notable facts
- 23 Isn't this article missing something?
- 24 Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series
- 25 Character Table?
- 26 Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
- 27 Editing and structure
- 28 Powers of witches and series themes
- 29 Wayne's world/Pop culture references
Re: Endora's name(s) for Darrin: A review of several episodes will show that Endora liked to call Darrin by any name that started with "D", as long as it wasn't Darrin. For example, "David", "Devin", "Donald", etc.
- Yes, "Derwood" and "Dobbin" are a couple I particularly like :-) Rossrs 22:45, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Dum-Dum was kind of cute, too!--CountVasquez 09:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Re: Adam. Adam, like his father, and unlike Tabitha or Samantha, was a mortal.
Adam was NOT a mortal. Check out some of the last episodes.
The statement that Darrin never showed any affection for any of Samantha's family other than Aunt Clara isn't true, I don't think. It was indeed an exceedingly rare event, but I'm pretty sure it did happen. For instance, didn't he occasionally show a bit of empathy for Esmerelda? And even Endora, very rarely, would come to some sort of terms with him and the two would express at least a hint of grudging acceptance of one another. I seem to remember one such instance, perhaps in a Christmas episode, when Darrin suddenly seems to realize how much Endora means to Tabitha, and whatever anger Darrin feels toward Endora at that moment fades quickly. There was another time when he seemed to even appreciate her use of witchcraft. She had caused a water-main to burst, and had thus helped a local political-candidate friend of Darrin's to win an election and remove an obvious crook from office. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Berberry (talk • contribs) 10:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought Alice Ghostley's Esmeralda was a hired nanny and not a relative. In the last season they once called her aunt in front of Darrin's client-but she was NOT a relative. [unsigned]
- Whether she was a close relative or not, the reason she is mentioned in the section on Aunt Clara is because Esmerelda was essentially a replacement for Clara. I don't recall anyone saying she was specifically NOT a relative. She was probably some distant relative as the witch community was rather small. Anyway the location of her description is fine, and there's not really another good place to put her.Njsustain (talk) 18:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Some information should be added on the semi-spin-off in the soap Passions with Dr.Bombay and the "sort-of" Tabitha character. I haven't watched the show myself, only read about it, so I can't really add any details.
Premering during the height of the conformity era of American culture, the show's witchcraft-related subject matter initially infuriated some right-wing Christian organizations, claiming that the show displayed the playful use of ungodly powers in a context that characterized them as good rather than the evil some Christians believed them to be.
- Many people believe this, but it is entirely too POV for an encyclopedia. Needs a rewrite. -- Temtem 21:08, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
- One cite-able reference to this might be the Jack Trick tract that was put out regarding the show. Satan was depicted watching Bewitched in Hell. I believe it is either available online or at the very least referenced somewhere online. A few years later this tract was later edited to reference Dark Shadows instead. TimBRoy (talk) 10:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Where is the documentation for this controversy. Who said it and what are the sources?
Is it necessary to include the information about Elizabeth and Richard Michaels having an affair? Jude86 18:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think you mean "Jack Chick" but anyway, according to this link, it may be a myth that there was any Christian opposition to Bewitched at the time of its initial airing
McMahon or McMann
An anon changed the link to McMahon and Tate to a non-existent link to McMann and Tate. For now I've reverted this. But which spelling is correct? Google doesn't make it clear, as both spellings seem to get used a lot. A still from the show showing the name of the firm would settle it, or maybe a script. Does anybody have any evidence one way or the other? — Stumps 08:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I've seen a book which mentioned Westport, Connecticut as the location for Bewitched. However, in Aunt Clara's Victoria Victory, when Queen Victoria asks where she is, the location is referred to as New York. Is there any canonical reference in the show itself which refers to Westport? THD3 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- That does make sense. More than once, I've heard of Connecticut and New Jersey being referred to as "suburbs" of NYC.THD3 (talk) 15:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Not to confuse the issue even more. But in the 7th season episode, Samantha's Old Man, a New York license plate is clearly visible on Darrin's car. Since he takes the train to work, there is no reason he would have a New York plates unless he resided there. At this point, I think we need to aknowledge there seems to be an internal contradiction. Is there a "canonical" reference for Connecticut (meaning something that was seen on the screen during the show)?Bills16309 (talk) 10:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's been a long standing mythology, I guess, that they are in Westport, but I don't really know where that came from. License plates on Hollywood TV shows aren't very reliable, and my comment above about referring to the whole area around NYC as "New York" is valid. Still, canonically, I would have to say it is more likely that the writers meant for the show to be in NY state. Too bad they didn't just pick a town, like in the Dick Van Dyke show, or Maude. Then again there's Brewster, the home town of Ann Marie on That Girl, and her father drove down all the time like it was nothing, but it's a four hour one-way drive, so these towns are always just fantasy verisions of the real thing anyway. Njsustain (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Time travel television series
"Category:Time travel television series" is a newly-created category. There is a discussion over how much "time travel" should occur in a series before it should be included in this category. Please join the discussion in that category's discussion. Val42 19:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Removed the reference to Darrin and Samantha being the first tv couple to share a double bed on screen. They were most famously beat in this "race" by The Munsters, but in reality the first couple was Marykay and Johnny.. on a show of the same name, which aired on the Dupont network on November 18, 1947. See www.snopes.com for more information.
Double bed citation
Snopes.com, though correct with "Mary Kay and Johnny," is actually wrong on this one with "The Munsters"- the Stephens were before them. Episode names, dates, and a citation are now in the article.
A Vision Of Sugar Plums
This is the Christmas episode in Season 1. Coincidentally, it is also the Christmas episode of Season 2, which is almost exactly the same, except for a Christmas card from the little boy, leading to a complete retelling of the aforementioned Season One episode. Does anybody know why this was done at all, simply copying the episode? Would it have anything to do with Elizabeth Montgomery's pregnancy, or Alice Pearce's (Gladys Kravitz) death (which are my assumptions)?
- Flashback episodes are usually done to save time and/or money.THD3 (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
You are correct- the two episodes were recut and reshown due to Elizabeth Montgomery's pregnancy. She would've then had an extra two weeks to rest. 1
Where on earth is the documentation for Ray Fulmer being considered for the part of Darrin? I've never heard about it before; not on Bewitched sites, not on sites about Ray Fulmer, nor on Hazel sites.
- Agnes Moorehead said that her friend Shirley Booth suggested Ray Fulmer to her as a replacement. Fulmer had completed a one year run on "Hazel" in 1967. However, Fulmer was still fairly new to Hollywood, whereas Sargeant was well known, about York's stature, and was considered for the part in 1963, even before York was hired.
vs. All In the Family?
Article states that "Bewitched" ran against "All in the Family" on Wednesday nights. "All in the Family" was never a Wednesday night program during "Bewitched"'s run.
- Jan - July 1972, Bewitched ran against All in the Family on Saturday nights (not Wednesday). The show moved to Wednesday in September 1971 against the Carol Burnett Show. I'll put it in the article. Squad51 20:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
This 1942 rom-com is often cited as inspiration of the Bewitched show. It sets up the same dilemmas - mortal hubby and witch wife with interfering in-law (dad in the film; mum in the show, of course).
Sol Saks has stated in his book, The Craft of Comedy Writing, that “the idea of a witch living as a mortal…has been used in Greek mythology, in fairy tales, in novels, on the stage, and in motion pictures. The only real originality, I’m quite willing to confess, was that Bewitched was the first to adapt the concept successfully to the television screen.” (see )
Didn't any of the show's creators acknowledge this debt explicitly? Daisyabigael 17:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes they did- Sol Saks, the "official" creator, in the E! True Hollywood Story documentary on "Bewitched," mentioned "Bell, Book, and Candle" and "I Married a Witch," but was told not to worry since Columbia owned those anyway. (Arfies)
The Daughter of Samantha and Darrin was initially named 'Tabatha' not 'Tabitha'. This is true until at least the 4th season (Credits).--CountVasquez 09:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Redundant Trivia section.
Why is the Trivia section just a rehash of the rest of the article?
DVD section of Bewitched
Where has the DVD section of Bewitched gone? This is very important because the series is being released on DVD!!! Season 5 is coming to DVD 10 July, 2007!! Jdcrackers 16:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Ratings For Bewitched
I created a Ratings Chart for Bewitched, but I could not find the Nielsen Ratings for Season 7. If anyone knows where to find the ratings for Season 7, please feel free to update it. I found the ratings for Bewitched from http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/declineofbewitched.htm and Bewitched Forever by Herbie J. Pilato. I thought this would go good for the Bewitched Section on Wikipedia. Jdcrackers 17:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Not only do virtually every witches' name end in "a" but for the main family, they are arranged in alpha-chrono order. Clara, Endora, Samantha, Serena, Tabitha (with Enchantra and Hagatha presumably also fitting in this scheme.
I Married a Witch, redux
I deleted the statement that says -- without attribution -- that the show was based upon I Married a Witch. This is not supported by the featurette The Magic Unveiled on the season 1 DVD in which it simply states that Sol Saks was asked to write a pilot script about a witch who marries a mortal, and that the idea was subsequently merged with another proposed series idea about a rich couple. Obviously if there is a print or other reputable source that contradicts the DVD, please feel free to revert (with the source cited, of course). 18.104.22.168 23:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Seasons 6 through 8
Does anyone know if Seasons 6, 7, and 8 will be released seperately? I have been hearing rumours now that the Dick Sargent years of Bewitched will be released all together in a Box Set. Jdcrackers 01:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed the "Notable Facts" section and placed it here because a good chunk of the "facts" are un-citied and, in my opinion, totally irrelevant to the article. Most of the stuff can't be worked into the article (see:WP:TRIV:Wikipedia:Trivia sections, so instead of attempting to add to it, I moved it altogether. If anyone can add the facts without taking away from the original article, feel free to add them in. Pinkadelica 07:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
- Dr. Bombay appeared on two episodes of the NBC soap opera Passions. Tabitha Lenox, the witch on Passions, has a daughter named Endora and parents named Darrin and Samantha.
- Dr. Bombay also appeared on the TV show Sabrina the Teenaged Witch, again played by Bernard Fox.
- The show was featured in a Jack Chick tract, which portrays it as Satan's favorite television show.
- Bewitched proved to be very popular with young girls when it first aired in Japan, and is considered to be the inspiration for the magical girl genre of anime.
- Elizabeth Montgomery is the only actress to appear in every episode of the series.
- Elizabeth Montgomery never actually "twitched" her nose. She would wiggle her upper lip back and forth, giving the appearance of the famous "nose twitch."
- The "incantation" that allowed the witches to do magic, usually said to themselves, was "zoldar prenkem kopeck lum." Darrin, when he was granted temporary witch powers, also used this.
- Male witches were referred to as "warlocks" as opposed to the modern "wizards."
- The interior and exterior sets of the house and Darrin's "McMann and Tate" office were used in several episodes of I Dream of Jeannie.
- An interesting side note; all witches' names ended in an "a", i.e., Smantha, Serena, Endora, Clara, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdcrackers (talk • contribs) 00:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't this article missing something?
Like, say ... a picture of Elizabeth Montgomery? It looks a bit silly that the only photos we have are of Endora and the Kravitzes, with the actual lead characters represented by their Flintstones appearances. I know images are harder to use on Wikipedia, but if that Endora image has survived, surely there must be one available of Samantha and Darrin, too. 23skidoo (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Looking for help writing an article about the spin-offs and crossovers of this series
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Because of the large numbers of characters played by more than one actor (a famous point of this show's production history), perhaps it would be best if this article's character section be made into a table. Thanks in advance to anyone who could take time to do this.Njsustain (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- I just created character tables for the "Main Characters" and "Recurring Characters" sections under "Cast". Gardn108 (talk) 02:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- I wasn't sure if I should do it for the next part ("Characters Less Frequently Seen") since that section is more about describing characters not already mentioned earlier in the article's description of the show and less about character-actor connections. I'm not sure how useful this "Characters Less Frequently Seen" section really is, since nearly all of the characters on it only appear once or twice. With that criteria, feasibly guest stars from any episode could be listed here, so I suggest it be removed and any truly important rarely seen/mentioned characters be mentioned somewhere else in the show's premise description. Any thoughts? Gardn108 (talk) 02:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that this section is completely bloated. I don't think it should be eliminated, but should be cut back severely, like roses in the spring. Those characters who only appear/are mentioned once should be removed unless the appearance was something of extreme continuity importance.Njsustain (talk) 10:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 11:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Editing and structure
The article still reads like a fan site/diary. The rambling text needs structure and editing. The information needs to be relevant and encyclopedic. The premise section needs subsections and editing. The production section is a mishmosh of random information and needs major restructuring and editing. Tidbits of trivia everywhere need citations or should be removed... anything that can't be gleaned from the show itself needs references.Njsustain (talk) 07:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well, obviously a fire got in me and I made the changes that were needed, including editing to remove irrelevent information, editorial comments, major redundancies, and improved structure greatly. Honestly, some of it was obviously just randomly cut and paste from only tangentially related material. I think this is a decent article now. More references would help of course. Please keep further changes encyclopedic... this isn't a fan site or a blog. Njsustain (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Gardn108, thank you for your contributions!!! This article is really looking fabulous now. We might even want to submit it for a good article evaluation. Njsustain (talk) 10:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
This page is here to talk about how to improve the article, not to lament the past and chastise those who contribute with good faith. If whoever has been making these strange anonymous posts is serious, please describe how the article could be improved. If you really think the article used to be better, with its tangentially related material, irrelevant material, multiple redundancies, incorrect information, random ramblings, and second grade writing structure, could you please look through the article history and point out the precise day when the article was allegedly at its "apex." I would really like to see what it looked like at that time. Njsustain (talk) 10:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Powers of witches and series themes
The powers of the witches and warlocks in "Bewitched" were quite formidable compared to that of witches in other stories. Levitation, invisibility, flying, and making things appear from nowhere (including live things) were just the start. Influencing people's emotions and actions, creating sentient beings from nothing, time travel, and even influence of the time line are quite powerful compared to most tales of witchcraft, wizardry, and magic. Does anyone think these should be mentioned in the article?
Also, Darrin's harping about Samantha's use of her powers was a constant in the series but isn't mentioned in the article. Should it be? If so, where would be a good place for it? Could "series themes" be a useful subsection? Njsustain (talk) 10:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Wayne's world/Pop culture references
The recent "wayne's world" edit, which borders on vandalism in my opinion, is totally inappropriate for that section. Bewitched has been mentioned on countless sitcoms as well as that movie, so an "In Popular Culture" section would be appropriate, but in the main description of the characters it is irrelevent and not a good description. This should be removed. I don't want to start an edit war so have asked the editor to revert himself.--Njsustain (talk) 17:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd be happy to revert, I didn't mean any harm. I will open a "Popular Culture" section - could someone please point me to a sample elswhere for format? I merely wanted to emphasize the shock value that switching actors had on regular viewers like me (and probably Mike Meyers and thousands of others as well). Stuart H. Alden (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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