Talk:Big Brother (British TV series) series 14

Michael - noms table

In order for this charade to have any lasting authenticity, Michael will have to be nominated - or at least go through the process - for the benefit of the other HMs. My understanding is that he is there for the duration. He cannot be exempted by BB on any regular basis otherwise the less stupid HMs will quickly cotton on! Leaky Caldron 13:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but until we have more details of how long he'll be there for and how nominations work with him then we should probably keep him out. ThisIsDanny (talk) 13:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

From what I understand he is immune from nominations but I don't know --MSalmon (talk) 14:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

He said last night that he's not going in to make friends or avoid nomination so does that mean they can nominate him? I'm confused. ThisIsDanny (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't think they can nominate him for the first round as he is Head Housemate (same as HoH in the U.S.) --MSalmon (talk) 15:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

We now know that the public will be choosing who Michael nominates this week, so should he be included to reflect this? --MSalmon (talk) 09:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, he is the sole proxy for the presentation of the public vote and can be shown as such with a relevant note. Takes care of the strong likelihood that in future weeks he will be available to be nominated himself. Leaky Caldron 13:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Shall I re-add him then? --MSalmon (talk) 13:45, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Michael isn't a housemate, and won't be taking part in the nominations process. I'm pretty sure I heard on BOTS that he will be leaving the house on Friday, but maybe it was a slip of the tongue. I still think he shouldn't be included as they weren't even his nominations, they were the public's. If we are going to do this, shall we just include Joan from Celebrity Hijack in the nomination table since she nominated Emilia, Jeremy and Liam? Because that's the same situation. --RachelRice (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

You're wrong, on almost every level. Stop forcing your own opinion into the article. You have a track record. Please stop. Leaky Caldron 15:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me? This is an open talk page, I'm hardly forcing my opinion, just stating why I think Michael doesn't belong on the nominations table. Don't be so rude. You aren't even listening to what I have to say, so if anything you are forcing your own opinion on the article. Don't be so ignorant in the future please. --RachelRice (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Michael still made the nominations even though it was the publics choice. When they introduced friends and family nominations instead of the housemates we still included them so what makes this any different to that. --MSalmon (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Then let's include Joan in the Big Brother: Celebrity Hijack table, shall we? Since she nominated people but we never included her in the nominations table. --RachelRice (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

She was not a housemate. The friends and family nominated on behalf of the housemates --MSalmon (talk) 21:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Michael is not a housemate either. So if we are including Michael we might as well include Joan. See how this works? --RachelRice (talk) 14:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

No he is not a housemate but he is living in the house as a "People's Puppet", and he made the nominations with the other housemtaes thinking they were his own choice. So he should be included, end of. --MSalmon (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

He made the nominations, he spoke the words,on the episode, BOTS and everywhere else his actions were described as nominations. It is a nomination table. What bit of "nomination" do you not understand? He is in the house as a quasi housemate and he made the nominations. End of argument. Leaky Caldron 18:09, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

What shall we do about Friday when he leaves? --MSalmon (talk) 18:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

He didn't make the nominations, he just announced them. And when he leaves, I think we should remove him from the table, since he played no part in the nominations process and was never eligible to be nominated or nominate himself. If he does stay, however, we should at least separate him from the real housemates to show that he isn't one. --RachelRice (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you not understand what we have told you? --MSalmon (talk) 20:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

What, so I can't have an opinion now? You are pathetic. --RachelRice (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

He will be staying in the table, like it or not. Now can we please drop this. --MSalmon (talk) 20:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but it's still pointless since he's leaving on Friday. --RachelRice (talk) 20:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I would have to say that since Michael isn't a genuine housemate I don't understand why he's on the nominations table. If we are including twists/non-housemates like that shouldn't we add Pauline to the BB8 nominations table? I think it'd made sense to either remove Michael or add Pauline — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.137.80 (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Because he made the nominations on behalf of the public, if you read above this you will see how it is explained. --MSalmon (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I think the footnote is enough explanation as it is though. Michael's row just seems like unnecessary clutter, especially since he didn't really 'walk' and was just done with the task and left under BB's instructions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.137.80 (talk) 21:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Michael does not need to be included in the nominations table.Bbmaniac (talk) 05:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Michael's exit

I think Walked can be fine (Keeley from BB10 was injured and left the house so we used Walked) --MSalmon (talk) 20:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I think "Left" would be more appropriate, or something along those lines. Keeley had the choice to come back after hospitalization but chose to stay at home. --RachelRice (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

We don't use Left, either Evicted, Ejected or Walked (and Walked is the closest that we are going to get) --MSalmon (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

He was evicted from the house. --RachelRice (talk) 21:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

No because he was never up for eviction --MSalmon (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

So? Willis clearly stated "The next person evicted from the house" and then went on to say "this is no ordinary eviction". So it's still an eviction and he was still evicted. --RachelRice (talk) 21:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Do whatever you want because I give up on explaining everything --MSalmon (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

"We don't use Left, either Evicted, Ejected or Walked" - that doesn't have to be set in stone because this is a new situation. I think ejected is closer because Big Brother asked him to leave - he wasn't voted out and he didn't choose to leave. But Emma announced it as an eviction, so evicted is ok too. –anemoneprojectors– 22:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Technically, Michael was the only non-Housemate of this series, and is better off not listed in the nominations table. We could instead mark the nominees' boxes with Nominated, instead of listing Michael's nominations. It was not technically a walk or an eviction either. --Dude (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I think this is the best suggestion to this situation, since we've never had anything like this before. Jandal3c (talk) 00:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

And honestly Rachel up above raised a good point above. If we have non-housemates in the nominations table then why isn't Joan Rivers on the CBB Hijack table? Or 'Pauline' on the BB8 table? I think the best thing is to remove Michael, because frankly, the footnote does an adequate enough job explaining. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.137.80 (talk) 00:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Correct to the both. To add, it wasn't technically Michael's nominations either, it was the public's on his behalf. But with Michael technically affecting nominations only once, it's best to mark the three as Nominated for Week 1. Anyone else agree? --Dude (talk) 02:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm in agreement. I wouldn't have a problem keeping him on the table if he was in the house for more than 1 week and continuously made the public's nominations, but since he's gone now the note is adequate enough explanation and removing him from the table gets rid of unnecessary clutter and would end the debate on whether or not he's been evicted, walked, or ejected. Long comment short, I support removing Michael and giving Dexter, Gina, and Sallie 'nominated' blocks. 108.23.137.80 (talk) 02:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Ratings table

Can we make it clear that the ratings entered so far are overnight figures, and will be replaced by BARB consolidated (commonly although incorrectly called "official") figures when these are available, 8-14 days later? Perhaps show the "official" figures in bold to distinguish them from overnights? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.121.129 (talk) 11:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

No, the point of the table is to add official figures ONLY, any overnights will be removed immediately. --MSalmon (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

OK that seems the most logical policy. I can see the overnights have now been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.121.129 (talk) 13:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Following the format from previous series, the ratings should be from Channel 5 AND Channel 5+1 and there shouldn't be a separate table for the weekly rank. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: needs pictures

80.193.190.2 posted this comment on 26 June 2013 (view all feedback).

needs pictures

Any thoughts?

WilmaT-H09 (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

The links provide pictures of the housemates.

Week 3 noms

It appears that the public vote to evict has not yet opened and that it will open tomorrow (3 July) after the housemates decide on who they want to save (out of the four that are up). Just wondering how this should be depicted on the noms table? --MSalmon (talk) 10:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I think as long as it's included in the notes then it should be alright, but then it says pre and post freeze at the side which wouldn't be right for this week. I'm not sure, unless that's changed to say something else? ThisIsDanny (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

How about just removing the pre and post freeze and put it in a footnote which can be used for whichever weeks it needs to be used in? --MSalmon (talk) 12:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I like how it is now, that's much better. Although should it say "Saved (pre eviction)" or something, because it could be confusing for people for week 1 they see Dexter was saved but Sallie was evicted, what about Gina, and the same with Dexter for week 2. Just what I think, I could be wrong. But if the voting percentages are released at the end of the series like last series we'll need to have another section for save with their voting percentages? ThisIsDanny (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Although I've just checked last series and it says "survived" not saved, my mistake :) ThisIsDanny (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it is fine as it is because people would see who was facing eviction after the freeze by looking at Saved and Evicted, then working out odd one out --MSalmon (talk) 13:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

If you take a look at this [1], it is similar to what I have done --MSalmon (talk) 13:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Now we know about the latest twist perhaps we can separate out the Against Public Vote in to two colums (one for the 4 HMs and one for the pairs) --MSalmon (talk) 22:17, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Nominations table

Personally, I prefer it how it was rather than similar to Big Brother 11. I don't think there's any need to show who was nominated after the save as you can surely work that out for yourself. It's just this week that could cause a problem, but then everything's mentioned in the notes. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I know, that's what I thought but I suppose Note 1 for the 1st & 2nd weeks explains it really. --MSalmon (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I don't think there is any need to have a pre-save table as the save and replace can be mentioned in the notes, especially considering it is unlikely to be used again this series. I do have a problem with Charlie being put as saved in the table though, as it suggests that she was saved in the same way Dexter and Gina were in weeks one and two respectively (as in having the least number of public votes), which isn't the case and makes it rather inconsistent. Hiimgeo (talk) 17:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

There's no mid-week freeze again this week, another reason why I think the table shouldn't look like this if it's just a twist that was used in the first few weeks. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Weekly summary - gone?

Was there a reason Weekly Summary was removed or is it vandalism? ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism I think but didn't actually notice until you just said it! --MSalmon (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Re added it. --MSalmon (talk) 22:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: needs MANY pictures and more info

69.179.130.190 posted this comment on 30 June 2013 (view all feedback).

needs MANY pictures and more info

Any thoughts?

WilmaT-H09 (talk) 19:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Info? I'm sorry, the weekly summary is very detailed as is the rest of the page and I think your comment is extremely unfair on myself and on the many others who dedicate time and effort to edit it. As for the pictures comment, well, if you don't know who the housemates are by their names and the information given about them, then you clearly aren't watching the series well at all. Besides, the references provide links to pages with substantial pictures as well as written information. I just do not feel your criticism is justified at all.

Images of the housemates would have to be free (not copyrighted). As they're mostly all currently in the house, free images cannot be obtained. –anemoneprojectors– 17:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Dexter (banned) - nominations table

I have changed the background colour of the week where Dexter was banned from nominating from blue to grey. This is because I feel as its grey, it reflects the 'Not Eligible' weeks as well and this and 'Banned' mean virtually the same thing. It's far more appropriate than the colour blue. Hope this is in agreement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilmaT-H09 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Although I see your point, take a look at this. Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother, plus in all the past series it's been blue. See Big Brother 11 (UK) for an example. ThisIsDanny (talk) 18:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, was just about to do it but you beat me to it! --MSalmon (talk) 18:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I was unaware it'd been the same through the past series' on here. Still, don't you think it provides confusion with the "Nominated" blue background box; it reads to me like they mean the same thing because they are the same colour. Perhaps the "Nominated" box colour could be changed to a slightly different shade of blue if possible? I'm just looking for coherency. By the way, off note, this has got to be one of the best, most up to date, pages of Big Brother to date. Keep it up everyone! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilmaT-H09 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Slightly off topic but Colours are not supposed to be used as a sole means of conveying information [2] GimliDotNet ^{(Speak to me,Stuff I've done)} 20:06, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

It says next to banned, "For US Big Brother articles, this color should be used with text reading "Nominated"." I know it's UK and different but that's why it's that colour. And examples of this could be from Big Brother 3 (UK) with Jade and Lynne, Big Brother 6 (UK) with Vanessa and Makosi, Big Brother 8 (UK) with Gerry and Carole and in Big Brother 10 (UK), Sophie, Siavash, Charlie and Kris have blue during nominations because they were nominated as punishment, it just doesn't say "nominated" because they were allowed to nominate too. But yes I agree that it's the most up to date than it's ever been! :D ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing this up Dan. Yes, I'm enjoying this series and this page! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilmaT-H09 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: let us know the number of vo...

46.208.196.234 posted this comment on 27 July 2013 (view all feedback).

Let us know the number of votes each evitee gets

Any thoughts?

DanielLuis (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2013 (UTC) The number of votes each evictee has been getting hasn't been revealed.

I think we should do a separate table below, titled: 'Table of Votes.' This would show how many votes each housemate got per week in addition to just the total of votes shown after the finishing of the series in the main table. WilmaT-H09 (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Save twist?

There hasn't been a proper Wednesday save twist since Week 2, can we please change the nominations table back to how it should be? And if there's one next week or whenever we can just put it in the notes. Seems pointless having the table like this if it's just been used twice. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:04, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. For week 3, it is in notes anyway that Gina and Dexter saved Charlie, and like you said, if it is used again we can fill in the notes section below the table. WilmaT-H09 (talk) 15:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Why are Dexter and Gina's names crossed out in Weeks 1 & 2 when they DID face the vote, and why is Charlie crossed out in Week 4 as against public vote when she wasn't? --MSalmon (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Before it was changed the the BB11 type noms table the names were striked through if they'd been saved on Wednesday so I put it back like that, I didn't think about the Maysoon strike through you mentioned on the edit summary. And I did it with Charlie to show she did originally face eviction but was swapped with Jackie who was in bold. Wasn't sure whether or not it was needed as it's already in the notes though. Thanks for pointing it out. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:19, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps it can go back to how it was before to include the save twist since it has now been used 4 times? --MSalmon (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Jackie/Charlie - family nominations

Might not be true but I've heard Jackie is nominating for Charlie in family nominations. Obviously like previous years it'll have to be in Charlie's row, but just to clarify if it does happen, we put nothing in Jackie's row for this week? Would it have to be mentioned in the notes or is it not relevant? Just curious :) ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:27, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes nothing in Jackie's row and not relevant to mention in notes. --MSalmon (talk) 21:45, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, didn't think so, was just making sure. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

On another note could someone do the cells for the final since we know it will be five housemates --MSalmon (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks because I doubt there will be a double eviction between now and the final as there are not enough people. --MSalmon (talk) 09:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't Jackie who nominated --MSalmon (talk) 21:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It was only something I heard, wasn't sure whether it was true :) ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, and wait until noms have finished before updating --MSalmon (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I always do, I get annoyed when people update it in the middle without changing nominations total, then multiple people change the total not realising others have changed it already and it's all a big mess. People should just wait. ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I know, but it is all up-to-date now (who did Sophie's nan nominate, couldn't hear very well) --MSalmon (talk) 22:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Jackie's Week 4 colour

Not sure what others think of this but I think Jackie's colour in her week 4 block should be the dark blue 'nominated' shade, just like Sophie's in Week 9. This shows that she was not nominated by her fellow housemates, but was automatically put up for the public vote via a save and replace. Just like Dexter saved himself and replaced himself with Sophie in Week 9, Dexter and Gina saved Charlie and replaced her with Jackie, so should we change the colour in Jackie's row in the Week 4 column to dark blue? 81.158.219.86 (talk) 17:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. WilmaT-H09 (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Done! 81.158.219.86 (talk) 19:24, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Good. Thanks for pointing it out. I forgot! :) WilmaT-H09 (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Jackie and Sophie's blue colour seems to be changing now, but I think the blue square should stay as it is more representative of a change to the process. Reli source (talk) 21:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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