Talk:Bronze-winged woodpecker

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Appears to be a synonym of Colaptes rubiginosus

Hello all - From the dearth of GHits under this name - and see here Appears this is a junior synonym of of Colaptes rubiginosus (aka: Piculus aeruginosus, Piculus rubiginosus).--Shirt58 (talk) 09:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are mistaken. See http://www.worldbirdnames.org/updates-spp.html Wikipedia Project Birds uses IOC as its English name source. Natureguy1980 (talk) 15:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

However, we don't use the IOC as our taxonomic authority! Has this been split by anybody else? MeegsC | Talk 17:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, good lord. So we just pick and choose that?!?! I get more and more disillusioned with Wikipedia every day. Natureguy1980 (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The actual source cited by the IOC is doi:10.1016/j.ympev.2010.09.011 ~~but I am unable to find the statement on the IOC page that it is a sister of restricted sense rubiginosus in the actual paper either explicitly or implied.~~ Shyamal (talk) 05:30, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strike that, I found that the first cladogram is not showing up in full size and I can see that it indicates a divergence of the Mexican and Peruvian populations as well as overall indicating the generic affinities. Probably can include the older references [1] as well to add to this article. Shyamal (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shirt, I must apologize for being so curt in my initial reply. I had no idea that there was no taxonomic authority used to Wikipedia. Again, my apologies. Natureguy1980 (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your gracious apology accepted, on the proviso that you will from now on always address me as Randy in Boise58. Welcome to the Wikipedia project! Yup, it's being made up as it goes along :-) --Shirt58 (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The limited sampling in Moore et al. 2011 is unfortunate: The Golden-olive Woodpecker is widespread and there are several splits worth looking into, including a big gap between South American and Central American-Mexican populations. Indeed, strong proponents of the PSC such as Navarro-Sigüenza and Peterson 2004 have already argumented for a three-species split (and that's without looking into the differences within South America): Mexican C. aeruginosus, Mexican-Central American C. yucatanensis, and South American C. rubiginosus. One could claim (almost certainly wrong, but nothing in the article would refute it) that Moore et al. 2011 only provides evidence of a split into a South American species (typified by the Peruvian sample) and a Central American-Mexican species (typified by Mexican sample). Regardless, even if only a brief statement, yet another reference supporting species status for Bronze-winged as separate from Golden-olive is Howell and Webb's field guide to Mexico – page 459: "Distinct vocalization and plumage differences suggest specific status for Bronze-winged and Golden-olive woodpeckers." • Rabo³ • 12:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]