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On 18 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Broomfield School, Arnos Grove to Laurel Park School. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Proposed merge with Bowes Primary School

Non-notable primary school. Tacyarg (talk) 22:54, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the merge to Broomfield School, Arnos Grove on the grounds that they haven't had a shared history since 1938, so reader's won't find that a natural fit. While it's true that most primary schools aren't independently notable, one in continuous use for 119 years may be. Klbrain (talk) 08:24, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Laurel Park

It looks like Broomfield is set to become Laurel Park School - there are letters to parents about it on the Broomfield website and there's a new Laurel Park School website, but I'm struggling to find any secondary / independent sources, which would be preferable to use. Surely there must be some announcement in the press or by the local authority somewhere? Waggers TALK 11:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I can't find any WP:RS either, and suggest we wait until the change is made on the DfE website in September, assuming the name change goes ahead. Tacyarg (talk) 12:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zjacobsohn please engage in this discussion instead of edit warring on the article - the changes you're making require a reference to a reliable source that is independent of the subject, see WP:VNT. Waggers TALK 12:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Sorry for "edit warring" - I'm new to Wiki and didn't see all of this.

Firstly, the local authority has acknowledged the changeover, but not in the public domain. Because the school is simply changing the name and logo, but not the DfE code, the change isn't really substantial enough for local press to find it an interesting story - it really is nothing more than a simple rebrand.

I can request that the admin team sends you guys emails from the Broomfield.Enfield.Sch.Uk or laurelparkschool.co.uk domain if you like - it is not possible to have an .sch.uk domain without LEA authorisation.

Please let me know what I can do to help ensure a smooth changeover - we would like to ensure that all online information about the school is kept updated and accurate.

Thanks,

Zack Zjacobsohn (talk) 12:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zjacobsohn, thanks for your posts here and on your Talk page. Thanks for pointing out the typo in the reference to Get Info about Schools - I think that was my mistake and have corrected it. Personally I don't see a problem with updating the name in Sept once the DfE has updated it - you (Zjacobsohn) would need to use Request Edit on this Talk page to request the change though, rather than changing it yourself. But I realise that this is not strictly in line with WP:COMMONNAME, so if other editors think we should wait until there are sources other than the DfE and the school website, that is also fine with me. Seems unlikely that the local paper won't acknowledge it somewhere, even in passing, in the interests of keeping their readers informed - maybe when GCSE results are released? Tacyarg (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think a page move and update in September seem sensible. It would be good to add a line now saying that the school is due to change its name. If no other sources are available we might have to make to with the primary ones - it's not exactly a contentious/controversial piece of information. Waggers TALK 08:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi both,

Thanks again for all your help with this - despite me being silly and not knowing the rules!

I am happy to send another message in here on the 1st of September, with a link to the amended DfE website.

If I do that, would one of you two be willing to make the changes for me, to ensure we are within the rules?

Thanks again for your help guys - without people like you wiki wouldn't exist!

Zack Zjacobsohn (talk) 10:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Checked back to see if reliable sources now exist for this change of name, but the DfE site, the LA schools directory and the school website all still say Broomfield. I found one RS about a "rebrand", which I will add, but no details re name. Tacyarg (talk) 12:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like we finally have some reliable sources - Ofsted / gov.uk. They don't explicitly state that the name has changed but obviously the address details are the same, and the Ofsted reports refer to Broomfield so the link is there. I don't think anyone's going to dispute that they're the same school. The question is, has the new name become sufficiently well used to satisfy WP:COMMONNAME? Because there could be some doubt around that, I think an WP:RM is in order instead of a WP:BB move. Waggers TALK 10:36, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, Laurel Park School currently redirects to the historical school of the same name in Glasgow so a bit of disambiguation will be required. Waggers TALK 10:40, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Uncontested for 16 days. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 04:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– The school has officially changed its name to Laurel Park School; however, per WP:OFFICIALNAME/WP:COMMONNAME that does not necessarily mean the article should be moved at this time. The Laurel Park School page itself is now a disambiguation page, formerly a redirect to the former school of the same name in Glasgow. If this move goes ahead I would recommend moving to Laurel Park School with a hat-note for the Glasgow school, but I'm not opposed to a move to Laurel Park School, London or similar. Waggers TALK 10:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 23:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Schools has been notified of this discussion. Waggers TALK 11:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject London has been notified of this discussion. Waggers TALK 11:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: pages with content, such as Laurel Park School, are ineligible to be proposed titles in move requests unless they, too, are formally dispositioned. "Laurel Park School → Laurel Park School (disambiguation)" has been added to this request to meet that requirement. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 13:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.