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"White men and a black man!"[edit]

The lurid stripper photo whose caption goes out of its way to name the races of the Chippendales pictured? It seems really inappropriate for Wikipedia, more like something from a joke or a porn site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.151.164.210 (talk) 09:37, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Please elaborate on your reasoning for the implied request. Your reasoning seems arbitrary. I agree that the caption, by mentioning racial information, is unnecessary, but I don't believe the image, as a whole, should be removed. Whatshouldichoose (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

"Sexual aesthetics of the buttocks vary considerably from culture to culture, from one period of fashion to another and even from person to person"[edit]

I think the article overplays the cultural effect on what people consider to be aesthetic, beautiful or attractive buttocks. Especially from male perspective, buttock's roundness (versus somewhat more sharp lines of men's buttocks) and waist-to-hip ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-hip_ratio) seem to have biological component (a sign of healthy, fertile partner) that contribute to the perceived attractiveness of the female buttocks.

Related sentences referenced from the article include "Many cultures have also used them as a target for corporal punishment, and for some cultures they play a role in sexual attraction." and "However, the qualities that make buttocks beautiful or well-formed are not fixed, as sexual aesthetics of the buttocks vary considerably from culture to culture, from one period of fashion to another and even from person to person." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpetrell (talkcontribs) 07:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

badonkadonk isn't just a female buttocks, tho it's certainly predominantly applied as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.223.11.231 (talk) 01:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

@Jpetrell: No, the truth is that the ideal shape and size of an attractive woman's buttocks does, in fact, vary both from "person to person" and from "culture to culture". You seem to be claiming that a low waist-to-hip ratio (WHR) and a round buttocks are essential components to everyone's conception of an ideal woman's physique, but this is not true. Obviously, a large number of men prefer round buttocks and hourglass figures as can be seen in the numerous European paintings of curvaceous nude women. This preference is not in dispute, but there are also heterosexual men who have a healthy and normal sexual attraction to women whose buttocks are flat and whose WHR is high. In Female Mate Value at a Glance: Relationship of Waist-to-Hip Ratio to Health, Fecundity and Attractiveness which was published in the journal Neuroendocrinology Letters, in the second paragraph of the right column of the ninth page, Devendra Singh (2002) states that in groups of people where the women have naturally high WHRs, of whom he mentions the Inuit, men may consider women with high WHRs as being attractive. In Erotic Grotesque Nonsense: The Mass Culture of Japanese Modern Times, in the second paragraph of page 114, Miriam Rom Silverberg (2006) states that Yasuda Kiyoo claimed that, unlike Westerners, Japanese people consider a woman with a large buttocks to be "vulgar". In What Is Appealing?: Sex and Racial Differences in Perceptions of the Physical Attractiveness of Women, published in The University of Central Florida Undergraduate Research Journal, on the bottom-left of page 60, Rachel Sewell (2013) states that in her study Asian/Pacific Islanders most commonly selected the "thin-all-over" body shape as the most attractive shape for women in contrast to blacks, whites, Hispanics and the group labeled "Other" who, alternatively, most commonly selected the "hourglass" body shape as the most attractive shape for women. In Preference for Women's Body Mass and Waist-to-Hip Ratio in Tsimane' Men of the Bolivian Amazon: Biological and Cultural Determinants, published in the journal Plos One, in the sixth paragraph of the "Introduction" section, Piotr Sorokowski et al. (2014) states that the indigenous Matsigenka people of Peru were found to prefer women with an extremely high WHR of 0.9. These sources which I have mentioned have dealt with the preferences of the Inuit, the Japanese, Asian/Pacific Islanders and an indigenous Peruvian ethnic group. If there is indeed a "biological component" as you say to preferring a woman with a round buttocks with a low WHR, it appears that the men of these four groups of people do not share the supposed "biological component" that would cause them to prefer a round buttocks and a low WHR.--Ephert (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Slang[edit]

I’d say “bum” belongs in the polite section, not the vulgar one. Mazz0 (talk) 18:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

If butt is to be included as an alternative name, then bum should be too. For me, and other people speaking European/Commonwealth English, butt is the end of a cigarette (well, ok, or fag end I suppose). I don't mind removing the slang, but if the US term is there, the European/Commonwealth one should be too. - Francis Tyers · 10:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I think it is better that no slang terms are included. This is an encyclopaedia after all. - Francis Tyers · 10:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Arse is the original Anglo-Saxon word. Ass is an Americanisation, possibly because its ambiguity (ass, the animal) conveys a slightly more polite / less embarrassing impression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.143.50 (talk) 07:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

"an incompetent or ignorant person is sometimes called a 'dumbass', and an annoying person a 'jackass'"[edit]

This whole section discussing Am. English colloquialisms with "ass" in them has to be cleaned up, but this sentence is particularly egegrious; the person writing it clearly forgot or maybe never knew that "ass" also means "donkey," and thus words with "ass" in them don't all refer to the buttocks. While "dumbass" is debatable—etymonline.com seems to imply that the "ass" does indeed mean "buttocks" in the same way as "hardass," "tightass," etc.—"jackass" definitely means "male donkey" and has nothing to do with the buttocks. (If it did, what does "jack" mean?)

I agree and I have removed it. -- Alarics (talk) 10:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Pratt is not slang for Buttocks[edit]

In British English, Pratt is slang for female genitalia, not for buttocks. That said it is rarley used in a literal context, but only as a mild insult (unlike other British slangs for that part of the anatomy which can be used literally, or as an quite hard insult). Pratt ought to be removed from the page on Buttocks. 108.20.217.49 (talk) 21:47, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

It's "prat", not pratt. Urbandictionary.com says it has buttocks meaning in UK. Moscowsky-talk- 12:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

"Pratt" or "Prat" is certainly understood as "buttocks" in the US, as in the compound word "prat(t)fall", a comedic bit of slapstick humor wherein the subject falls on his "pratt". 73.27.217.196 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2016[edit]

The caption "Two white men and a black man," and the accompanying stripper photo, should be deleted. It is inappropriately lurid for a Wikipedia page, and the racial references push it way over the line. 95.151.164.210 (talk) 09:35, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Agreed.  Done Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Now reverted, unfortunately, by OnBeyondZebrax. At the very least, it should have a more explanatory caption (of the fact that it shows a stage show) - not an unencyclopedic and borderline racist one that has zero educational value. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
I see no motive as to why one would deem this "racist". Need I evoke the definition by the English Oxford Dictionary? (Showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another) Whatshouldichoose (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I proposed the picture of the black man so that this articles' images would comply with MOS:IMAGES, which states that articles on a general topic should depict a range of races and genders. Until the picture in question was added, there were no images of Black individuals. OnBeyondZebraxTALK 23:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017[edit]

The words female and male (used under the pictures) are adjectives, not nouns. This should say a female (or male) buttock or the noun woman (and man) should be used. Heggink (talk) 11:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done - see wikt:female#Noun. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

lists in the "society and culture" section[edit]

The overall section on society and culture is too long relative to the overall article. Compare with the article on heart, a part of the body that obviously also has substantial cultural significance, but where this section is in more reasonable proportion to the overall article. The section suffers in particular from the various bullet-point lists which it contains (namely: synonyms, related terms, and in popular culture), which by their nature tend to become dumping-grounds for every conceivable example, many of which are unsourced. The list of synonyms is the most egregious of these. I do not think that it serves any useful purpose in terms of understanding the cultural significance of the buttocks to list every conceivable synonym in English. Wikipedia is not a thesaurus, and neither is this an article about the English language -- although a brief and appropriately written section on "linguistic aspects" including a modest selection of examples inline in the text would be reasonable. Regarding the list of related terms, a few of these could no doubt also be folded into a section on linguistic aspects by way of examples of words derived from the Greek root pyg-, but really most of the terms should either be incorporated into the text of the section relevant to their actual meaning (depending whether they relate to medical or cultural aspects) or simply omitted. Again, simply presenting a list of words is not particularly helpful. Regarding the "in popular culture" list, well, the same thing really: two or three well-written paragraphs with selected examples, and lose the rest. The problem of course is that it is much harder to do this well than it is to just expand lists of examples, and I am not offering. But what I would say is that anyone wanting to improve the article by replacing lists with well-written prose should be bold about doing so, and not be worried about discarding some existing content in the process. Thanks, --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree that converting the lists to prose would be a good step. Lists make it so easy to add a new bullet for a new slang term you heard on the bus last night...too easy. When text is in prose, it requires editors to find a logical place to insert their text. Which is harder than just creating a new bullet.OnBeyondZebraxTALK 23:25, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

"The buttocks allow primates to sit upright without needing to rest their weight on their feet as four-legged animals do."

Kelly Starrett would argue that our bottoms are not intended to be load-bearing surfaces at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfhoundjesse (talkcontribs) 16:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Pratfall[edit]

Is pratfall a notable subject? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)