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A fact from Camping in Alaska appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that despite "C U in da Ballpit" being Camping in Alaska's best known song, the band says they all hate it?

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 01:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Camping in Alaska song "C U in da Ballpit" was written in two hours after the band realized they rented too much time in the studio?

Source: "But that song, when we were 17, we had bought $900 worth of studio time to do our first album. We had extra time after everything, because it went smoother than we thought. And so we had like half a day left and we’re like, OK, well, let’s not waste it. So I wrote a song in two hours on a notebook and then we jammed it out."

ALT1: ... that despite "C U in da Ballpit" being Camping in Alaska's best known song, the band says they all hate it? Source: Well, something that everybody online who digs into us knows is that we hate that song. [Laughs]
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Created by ThaesOfereode (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

ThaesOfereode (talk) 14:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Song titles ignore stylisations per MOS:TITLECAPS; for the hook, the song should be rendered "C U in da Ballpit". I'll leave it to you to update the article and the hook (most likely ALT0, as opinions can change).--Laun chba ller 14:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I've made the fixes as requested. I also think ALT0 is the better of the two. ThaesOfereode (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 16:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - Citations needed in Members section
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The members section needs citations, particularly important as this is covered by WP:BLP. A random check of sources I could access revealed that the phrases "Cape left shortly after the release of Please Be Nice" and "which led to the band being signed to Broken World Media" are not covered in the citation at the end of that sentence, which does state that Broken World Media re-released the album and Cape left before Bathe was released. Otherwise hooks are interesting and cited, I assume good faith on paywalled sources and the article is new enough.

@ThaesOfereode: for notification. CSJJ104 (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CSJJ104: Thanks for taking a look at this; I appreciate you taking the time to do the review! Re: "Cape left shortly after the release of Please Be Nice", I think this is covered under WP:NOTOR#Simple calculations and "shortly" being relative to the band's overall time in existence (i.e., less than one year [Sept 2013 – Jun 2014] in a band that's been around ~11 years). I can still change it if you really, really insist, but I think this is probably fine as is. Re: "which led to the band being signed to Broken World Media", I've changed this to "; the band was signed to Broken World Media shortly thereafter". Current and former band members should be appropriately cited now. Please let me know if there's anything else that should be fixed. ThaesOfereode (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ThaesOfereode: I was not aware of WP:NOTOR#Simple calculations and agree that would cover this, and thanks for adding the citations to the members section. My concern about the statement of the band being signed by Broken World Media is that the source only states that the label picked up that one song, while saying they signed up the band implies a larger deal. This may be my unfamiliarity with the music industry, but I feel many readers will think the same. CSJJ104 (talk) 13:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CSJJ104: No worries, thanks. Re: the final concern, the source states that BATHE was picked up by Broken World Media, not just a single song. Looking at the company's Bandcamp site, it looks like only BATHE was released under that label, so I've made the appropriate changes to fix that. Let me know if that works for you. ThaesOfereode (talk) 14:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All concerns addressed with paywalled sources accepted AGF. Sorry for the confusion between album and song. CSJJ104 (talk) 14:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Thanks for working it out with me; I appreciate the time and effort. ThaesOfereode (talk) 17:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: jommeez

@Drmies: I'm looking at the removal you made in this diff and I don't think that information should have been removed, but I can see why it should be restated to be clearer. The article title for the Wake source is about how "c u in da ballpit" became fairly popular on YouTube, which the band credited with their early success and wouldn't have happened without the intervention of the user jommeez. I would consider that significant enough information to include, but perhaps I did not word it well enough. Is there a better way you think that information should be included? ThaesOfereode (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ThaesOfereode, is there any more sourcing on that? Because there is a missing link, besides the matter of it being self-sourced: the road to success from a YouTube video. The band saying so isn't really a lot, IMO. Plus the name of the uploader isn't really encyclopedic either. I think. Drmies (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, he's fairly well-known in at least some Midwest emo circles, but I can't find any reliable literature for it so I'll leave it out, I guess. Re: the name of the uploader, I don't think it's unencyclopedic; any anonymous presence online would have to be referred to by some moniker if no identifying information could be sourced. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]