Talk:List of Genshin Impact characters
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I am thinking about removing the NPCs....
[edit]I knew there would be a problem with including each and every Genshin character, even the NPCs. The only NPCs I would probably keep are those that are important to the storyline. Aasim (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- How about removing some NPCs due to being not notable? And side talk, if the page was added with references, is there a high chance of promotion into an article? Starting to Hate Noelle (Needs Zhongli Too Bad or Hapith is NOT Taiwan's ballistic missile ) 16:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Ahthga Yram @Awesome Aasim I am with the second person here (whatever nick you decide upon). See my comment below. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Forfeit the promotion of draft to an article
[edit]Silly you, just let it rot for six months... User:Ahthga YramTalk with me! I want to change my name! 09:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Colors
[edit]@Awesome Aasim: just letting ya know, I pulled the colors from the Genshin Impact wiki (on Fandom). Very realistically could be the wrong colors, but I'm not sure the game has official colors for the different elements? Elli (talk | contribs) 19:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think that is good for text color, but not the background. The way it was done made the text virtually unreadable.
- I was doing some poking around in-game and realized that the color of elements can be seen clearly when elemental damage is dealt and when a character's elemental burst is charged.
- Will need to do some more looking into to find good colors for these elements, etc. Aasim (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- I am thinking what FANDOM did was take the average color of the element icons. When I did that I got colors very similar to what you just put in. But those colors appear to only be good for text, not backgrounds. So I will need to do some more digging. Aasim (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well... I may have landed on very similar colors, but it appears that those colors were meant to be a background for white text. So I guess the problem may have been the dark text... Aasim (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Awesome Aasim: ah, that makes sense.
- BTW, I noticed not all of the playable characters are included here. What inclusion criteria are you using? (ideally everything should have a RS, though we're not at that point yet) Elli (talk | contribs) 19:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Elli It is a work in progress. I am only including the playable characters here because they are the ones that appear everywhere in-game, and there are lots of guides out there about building playable characters as well as lore around them. The NPCs, not as much. Aasim (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Awesome Aasim: oh yeah, I agree we should only have playable characters, that makes sense for the list. I was just wondering why there was no Xiangling (total bestgirl). Elli (talk | contribs) 20:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Awesome Aasim:@Elli: About the colors of the elements indicated, how about lighten the color of Cryo? Anemo should be teal or green-blue if possible. Also, summarize their conception and creation, and their reception within the
outside worldcommunity to reduce the article size. (This draft had more than 96,000 bytes.). It might take weeks. User:Ahthga YramTalk with me! 05:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)- @Ahthga Yram: what I'm wondering is if any of these characters have enough significant coverage / reception to be independently notable. That would be nice if they did. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Awesome Aasim:@Elli: About the colors of the elements indicated, how about lighten the color of Cryo? Anemo should be teal or green-blue if possible. Also, summarize their conception and creation, and their reception within the
- @Awesome Aasim: oh yeah, I agree we should only have playable characters, that makes sense for the list. I was just wondering why there was no Xiangling (total bestgirl). Elli (talk | contribs) 20:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Elli It is a work in progress. I am only including the playable characters here because they are the ones that appear everywhere in-game, and there are lots of guides out there about building playable characters as well as lore around them. The NPCs, not as much. Aasim (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well... I may have landed on very similar colors, but it appears that those colors were meant to be a background for white text. So I guess the problem may have been the dark text... Aasim (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Some of them are so-so, some of them are notable for inclusion, and some of them are not.
But I can't think of the result even It's complete like it will be moved into the mainspace? Will be G13'd? or or MfD'ed? Arrrghh....
But for this time, find reliable sources and..... I'm out of ideas, sorry. User:Ahthga YramTalk with me! 15:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Not really sure about the current format
[edit]From a current point-of-view, most people are interested in the playable characters; hence why I was using a table. They want to know the element of the character and the weapon, as well as their role in the story. Most NPCs do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines and should be excluded. The playable characters are notable, as they have gotten extensive coverage in gaming magazines, but it is very difficult to find independent sources when all that they are giving are information about the most current characters.
There is also the question of leaked/unverified information. The truth of the matter is that leaked content does not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion as it is mere speculation and the sources that reference leaks are very low quality, and thus should not be mentioned at all. Aasim (talk) 05:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- I rolled back to the table format. The format being used by the original creator is clunky, and while it may be shocking to see all your work being botched or the like, the old format had numerous problems, including providing information that only one audience would be interested in. The reason the elements are worth mentioning is because of the elemental reactions system, which has gotten most of the praise from players and gaming magazines. Aasim (talk) 05:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Aether and Lumine's place of origin.
[edit]There is currently a dispute involving the place of origin regarding Aether and Lumine (the Travelers). The in-game text states that they are from another world, yet I see "Unknown" being replaced with "Khaenri'ah". As this is a contested issue, I am making this section so consensus on the topic can be formed. What is the proper way to state Aether and Lumine's place of origin? --KingErikII (Talk page) 22:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think reliable sources would be good to resolve this. I thought it was conveyed explicitly by the story, but apparently not. Maybe best to leave it at unknown for now until a reliable source proves otherwise. Aasim (talk) 22:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- I can agree with that. If this draft is to be its own article, it needs reliable sources. --KingErikII (Talk page) 23:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Resubmitted
[edit]I recognize there is likely to be a lot of work to be done here, but I believe this list article and the aforementioned characters do meet the general notability guidelines as they have been covered in gaming magazines like IGN and PCGamer. The problem is that they are difficult to fish up especially if the article is more than a few months old. It could be good enough for article mainspace, or there may need to be more information. Or the table could be merged with Genshin Impact in its own separate section. Aasim (talk) 22:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Inclusion criteria for NPCs
[edit]I am somewhat concerned with List_of_Genshin_Impact_characters#Non-Playable_Characters, which is unreferenced. GI has a ton of minor NPCs, and we don't want to be a trivia list. I recommend that the only characters to mention are ones that have some stand-alone coverage. Ex. I can find some sources for La Signora ([1], [2]), I am sure there are many for Paimon, here's stuff about Rhinedottir [3], [4]. This needs to be added as refs, and characters for which no WP:SIGCOV can be found should be pruned. Right now most if not all are likely rescuable, but we need to enforce standards before some fans decides to spam a list of 100+ minor NPCs here. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Sectioning of Playable Characters
[edit]Sectioning off the playable characters into regions would make the chart a lot more organized and pleasant to read (also possibly organizing by alphabetical order?), and if there's an agreement I can begin to organize the chart like that. The only issue with this is certain characters are not exactly associated with a certain region (Travelers, Aloy, and Childe while released as a Liyue character is from Snezhnaya). So I would like a consensusJaguarnik (talk) 19:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Seeing as the current list is becoming very long, I support this proposal. We could easily make an "Unknown" section for Aether, Lumine and Aloy's regions, though Childe is more difficult to figure out as he's currently the only playable Snezhnayan character, and that region won't be available any time soon. --KingErikII (Talk page) 19:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to simply have a Snezhnaya section for Childe, and then when Snezhnaya is released that section will grow naturally.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough I would say. --KingErikII (Talk page) 20:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Alternatively, we could list Childe as a Liyue character, as there are multiple characters in the game associated with regions they're not originally from (Kaeya, Thoma, possibly Mona, etc.), but then that would require the Travelers to be considered "Mondstadt" characters and Aloy as an "Inazuma" character. Ultimately I'm not sure Jaguarnik (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- To be honest I'm not in favour of that idea. The reason why Kaeya is considered a Mondstadt character and Thoma an Inazuman character is because they're naturalised citizens of their respective countries. Childe, despite being introduced in Liyue, is still a resident of Snezhnaya, and still periodically returns to Snezhnaya to visit his family as well as attending important Fatui-related events like La Signora's funeral. Therefore, I feel listing Childe as being a Liyue character is misleading. --KingErikII (Talk page) 22:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jaguarnik/sandbox
- I made here a page of how I would restructure the playable character chart. As I don't want to be making radical changes without approval from other users, I will leave it here and wait for what others think.Jaguarnik (talk) 23:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is the characters already in Wikipedia for English? I saw some of the characters appeared in Wikipedia Chinese source Policha (talk) 09:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- Last time I saw some of the characters have been in Chinese wikipedia with photos, can we do the same here too?
- Here is the link that I'm talking about:
- https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E5%8E%9F%E7%A5%9E%E5%AA%92%E4%BD%93%E6%96%87%E4%BB%B6 Guyrichtheman (talk) 13:12, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- To be honest I'm not in favour of that idea. The reason why Kaeya is considered a Mondstadt character and Thoma an Inazuman character is because they're naturalised citizens of their respective countries. Childe, despite being introduced in Liyue, is still a resident of Snezhnaya, and still periodically returns to Snezhnaya to visit his family as well as attending important Fatui-related events like La Signora's funeral. Therefore, I feel listing Childe as being a Liyue character is misleading. --KingErikII (Talk page) 22:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Alternatively, we could list Childe as a Liyue character, as there are multiple characters in the game associated with regions they're not originally from (Kaeya, Thoma, possibly Mona, etc.), but then that would require the Travelers to be considered "Mondstadt" characters and Aloy as an "Inazuma" character. Ultimately I'm not sure Jaguarnik (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough I would say. --KingErikII (Talk page) 20:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to simply have a Snezhnaya section for Childe, and then when Snezhnaya is released that section will grow naturally.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Wanderer's land...
[edit]Technically, Wanderer is from Inazuma, because he was the prototype for the Raiden Shogun puppet, but he was "reincarnated" through removing himself from history as Greater Lord Rukkadevata did. Are Wanderer and Scaramouche the same person? I'm confused. Klee Bakudan (talk) 23:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- The playable character Wanderer is considered a Sumeru character.Jaguarnik (talk) 08:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- We need sources for either. I'd personally classify him as Inazuman too. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Removal of Alice and move Dainsleif to Playable Characters Section
[edit]Can we remove Alice from the article since she doesn't have anything to do with the Archon Quests and Genshin lore and only appeared in two events as a recording. Also, we should move Dainsleif to the Playable Characters section under a new section titled "Khaenri'ah" since he is announced to be a playable character. Imbluey2 (talk) 00:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Imbluey2 Sounds good, but we need a reference for Dainsleif being playable (upcoming). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Suggest new column: date released
[edit]I think it would be interesting and useful to the readers to be able to sort characters by date released. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
- I don't agree with creating a new column, but I'm OK with replacing the status column with something else. It is currently way too green to give any useful info. ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 21:47, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
- I slightly disagree; seems decently like WP:GAMECRUFT to me. Save that for the Genshin Impact wiki (which is already well-formated). Why? I Ask (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Dainsleif
[edit]Dain has been confirmed by Hoyo several times to be playable; he isn't from the nations of Teyvat—he's from Khanri'ah and has his own form of power differing from the Elements. Klee Bakudan (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Creating an article about Genshin Impact character
[edit]Should we create an article about Genshin Impact characters? I saw the Chinese Wiki already created about them. Guyrichtheman (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Regarding Fontaine's Characters
[edit]The version 4.2 trailer reveals that the Hydro Archon seat does not exist anymore. Focalors executed herself leaving her elemental abilities to Neuvillette, allowing Furina to live life as a normal human being. GGUltima (talk) 03:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Translate more character pages from Chinese Wikipedia
[edit]It seems that there are already 31 character pages in Chinese Wikipedia (see zh:Category:原神角色) and most of them (if not all) can also pass the notability and MoS standards here. I suggest we translate them to English Wikipedia (see WP:HOWTRANS), as it would be much easier than writing from scratch. Supergrey1 (talk) 08:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- P.s. The Raiden Shogun page is a great example of good translation. Supergrey1 (talk) 08:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- After a careful review of WP:GNG, I now see the difference in notability standards between Chinese and English Wikipedia. Based on WP:GNG standards, I filtered these pages as (currently) noteworthy for translation:
- Amber (Genshin Impact) (zh:安柏 (原神))
- Barbara (Genshin Impact) (zh:芭芭拉 (原神))
- Fischl (Genshin Impact) (zh:菲謝爾)
- Furina (Genshin Impact) (
zh:芙宁娜)
- Ganyu (Genshin Impact) (zh:甘雨 (原神))
Hu Tao (zh:胡桃 (原神))
- Jean (Genshin Impact) (zh:琴 (原神))
- Kamisato Ayaka (
zh:神里綾華)
- Keqing (
zh:刻晴)
- Nahida (Genshin Impact) (
zh:納西妲)
- Neuvillette (Genshin Impact) (zh:那维莱特)
- Sangonomiya Kokomi (zh:珊瑚宫心海)
- Tartaglia (Genshin Impact) (zh:达达利亚 (原神))
- Wanderer (Genshin Impact) (zh:流浪者 (原神))
- Yae Miko (
zh:八重神子)
- Yun Jin (
zh:雲堇)
Zhongli (Genshin Impact) (
zh:钟离 (原神))
- Supergrey1 (talk) 09:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Edit: I suggest three more to the list. Supergrey1 (talk) 01:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- Edit: Another four more to the list, and removed one of lower quality. Also, applaud SuperSkaterDude45 for making two great translations in a row. Supergrey1 (talk) 09:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Supergrey1: If I may, make sure that sources exist to support the articles before bringing them over. Admittedly a lot of the cast isn't going to meet notability, at least from the surface, and while I haven't looked into Zhongli, Hu Tao does feel a bit rough. Raiden Shogun just received a complete retranslation with what sources I'd found since her AfD.
- Also would have honestly figured with as little I know of the game Eula or Mona would've been more likely candidates? At least from what I've seen from American audiences reacting to them.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kung Fu Man: Eula does actually have her own article on the Chinese Wikipedia but I'm currently rather hesitant on translating it given how it could potentially run into getting AFD'd despite some sources being dedicated to her. That being said, I'll likely work on translating every GA-class article given how each article is well referenced. As for the Hu Tao article, her Chinese article appears to not have been updated significantly since mid-February 2022 so there's a good probability of further secondary sources given her undeniable popularity among Japanese and American audiences. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @SuperSkaterDude45: Thing is I'm not finding a lot on sources on Hu Tao actually discussing her as a character. That's the big thing, a lot of it is more about gameplay which while it *can* be important you have to demonstrate that it matters outside of the scope of the one game to make it stick (see the Smash Bros. articles that got merged). ValNet sources like GameRant are used in a lot of these reception sections too, which doesn't help.
- What may be a good idea is possible Drafts on the stuff that hasn't had a redone reception section, or even subpages tracked with the VG Characters task force set to NA class.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kung Fu Man: Do you happen to know any solid web search engine for Chinese or even Japanese sources? This is due to a noting trend I've noticed with the existing references in her article is how references 31, 32, and especially 16 are all Chinese-based references that analyze into her characteristics and influence. I also feel as if Japanese sources could help though I'm considering looking for other English sources later as currently, I'm working on other articles unrelated to Genshin Impact. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @SuperSkaterDude45: I usually do string searches on the site itself in google in that case. It wouldn't be the worst idea to dig for more and see what turns up, and build around them. Google Scholar may have something for each of the characters too. I tried a searching through Kotaku's articles but only found a few here and there, but nowhere near the level they did for Shogun hilariously enough.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kung Fu Man: Do you happen to know any solid web search engine for Chinese or even Japanese sources? This is due to a noting trend I've noticed with the existing references in her article is how references 31, 32, and especially 16 are all Chinese-based references that analyze into her characteristics and influence. I also feel as if Japanese sources could help though I'm considering looking for other English sources later as currently, I'm working on other articles unrelated to Genshin Impact. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kung Fu Man: I’m sure the pages I’ve listed have reached the notability requirements, mostly due to the Chinese reliable sources in their “Reception” sections, including Game Grape (游戏葡萄), 3DMGAME, and some others. If you insist on finding English sources to further support notability, that’s fine for me. I’ve also read your rewritten version of Raiden Shogun page, and it’s really well-written, totally deserves praise. Thank you! Supergrey1 (talk) 01:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Supergrey1 A big problem is how that wikipedia's standards work vs the english speaking one, if that makes sense. Shogun feels a bit of a "perfect storm" as it were because all these sources were discussing her, especially Jiang repeatedly on Kotaku. I tried to indicate it on my revert comment on Tao, but gameplay and build stuff tends to be treated a lot more minor unless you can indicate it having importance *across* games or impact outside of it (take for example Symmetra and how players were harassed over her). ValNet's another big problem too, a spine of a lot of these articles is using sources like GameRant or ScreenRant and they tend to be argued against for notability when it comes to the video game project (see: WP:VG/S). That reception section needs to be rewritten and redone to better fit the english wikipedia's standards, retaining the good sources and building them up while focusing on her as a fictional character. Get that going, build around that if possible and then it should be in a lot better case and give a better idea of what to do with the others.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. Improving each pages to reach standards of the VG characters work force here, are important and should be carefully considered. Also, notability can be best proved when more and more reliable sources are provided, just as you’ve suggested. Supergrey1 (talk) 02:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well I reorganized Tao a bit to give a better idea where the reception "meat" is. It's still only a fistful of references, but some additional ones could fix her up and keep her stable.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well, since I’m not too familiar with the English Wikipedia notability standards, I trust you guys to cite more sources. Google News Search on “Hu Tao popular” may be a good start. Supergrey1 (talk) 02:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- This may be a bit easier to use. It keeps the character's name together, and filters out ValNet's content farm (disclaimer: I don't think Valnet is a bad source when it comes to editorials sometimes, but you're best off not using it until you've got the "spine" of your reception set up. People will look through sources and automatically target any Valnet ones as a reason for nuking, even if you have a solid structure).--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well, since I’m not too familiar with the English Wikipedia notability standards, I trust you guys to cite more sources. Google News Search on “Hu Tao popular” may be a good start. Supergrey1 (talk) 02:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well I reorganized Tao a bit to give a better idea where the reception "meat" is. It's still only a fistful of references, but some additional ones could fix her up and keep her stable.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. Improving each pages to reach standards of the VG characters work force here, are important and should be carefully considered. Also, notability can be best proved when more and more reliable sources are provided, just as you’ve suggested. Supergrey1 (talk) 02:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Supergrey1 A big problem is how that wikipedia's standards work vs the english speaking one, if that makes sense. Shogun feels a bit of a "perfect storm" as it were because all these sources were discussing her, especially Jiang repeatedly on Kotaku. I tried to indicate it on my revert comment on Tao, but gameplay and build stuff tends to be treated a lot more minor unless you can indicate it having importance *across* games or impact outside of it (take for example Symmetra and how players were harassed over her). ValNet's another big problem too, a spine of a lot of these articles is using sources like GameRant or ScreenRant and they tend to be argued against for notability when it comes to the video game project (see: WP:VG/S). That reception section needs to be rewritten and redone to better fit the english wikipedia's standards, retaining the good sources and building them up while focusing on her as a fictional character. Get that going, build around that if possible and then it should be in a lot better case and give a better idea of what to do with the others.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kung Fu Man: Eula does actually have her own article on the Chinese Wikipedia but I'm currently rather hesitant on translating it given how it could potentially run into getting AFD'd despite some sources being dedicated to her. That being said, I'll likely work on translating every GA-class article given how each article is well referenced. As for the Hu Tao article, her Chinese article appears to not have been updated significantly since mid-February 2022 so there's a good probability of further secondary sources given her undeniable popularity among Japanese and American audiences. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
@Supergrey1:@SuperSkaterDude45: Pining both of you to ask if you could take a look at the appearances section of Raiden Shogun: I don't play this game, so I want to make sure I summarized things correctly there from the sources as they presented the information.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, the appearances section is correct and well-written. Supergrey1 (talk) 05:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Kung Fu Man: In terms of her character biography, I would say that it's accurate, well-informed and does a good job focusing on her role during her Archon Quest. The only improvement I would suggest is a mention of Scaramouche given how he plays an important role to Raiden's idea of eternity and how he was a prototype puppet made for her. (although that could potentially be leaning more into WP:FANCRUFT or could be implemented in his own article) Regardless, I appreciate being pinged about this. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 05:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Update: I was working on zh:芙宁娜 (Furina) in the past few weeks, and finally now it's a good article. @SuperSkaterDude45: You could consider translating this page first. Next I'll be working on fixing Zhongli page's notability issues. Supergrey1 (talk) 12:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Just a shout, but eSportsChimp and ThisIsTV.com may get dinged regarding reliability, I couldn't find much evidence to show editorial process which is usually a rough point for sources.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well, since removing them would not affect the page at all, you may remove them if you prefer. As for their reliability, perhaps it's best to leave the discussion of that to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources. Supergrey1 (talk) 05:01, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- On second thought, I just removed them myself. It's best to just ensure every citation is clear and verifiable. Thank you for pointing out. Supergrey1 (talk) 10:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Supergrey1: Right, I'll probably work on translating Furina then after I'm finished drafting up the Ayaka translation (which for some reason someone else tried to prematurely put into the main space) Kind of sad that Neuvillette's article probably still doesn't meet notability but who knows, maybe I could attempt to manually work on some of the more undercooked articles as for example, I could see Collei having a more refined article in comparison to her Chinese article due to her extensive role within the game's manga. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- After reviewing the possibility of being accused of REFBOMB, now I believe only Furina to be worth translating, at least for now. Only some of the characters received in-depth comments from the media and academic sources, for example, Furina, Shenhe, Yun Jin, and Zhongli. While Furina and Zhongli are both improved recently under my hands, I don't think the Chinese Wikipedia pages of Shenhe and Yun Jin have reached GNG standards (so next I'm going to improve them). Still, the Ayaka page can be improved (I just found some new sources) till it reaches notability standards. Supergrey1 (talk) 10:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, is this translation project still on-going or planned? Or did it stop after Zhongli (Genshin Impact) got sent to AfD? λ NegativeMP1 07:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- @NegativeMP1: Well it's now kind of paused since people on English Wikipedia are generally afraid of sources in languages other than English. Finding in-depth English sources can be a challenge, so it would be grateful if you are willing to help us. There is this Draft:Kamisato Ayaka that's still lacking more in-depth sources of commentary. Supergrey1 (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't necessarily that editors here are afraid of them per say, but they're just harder to verify. There's several articles, including in video game space, verified only by non-English sources. With that being said, I do want to say that since I do not speak Chinese (or any language other than English, really struggle in that field), I don't think I'm in the right field to directly assist with translation or character article buildup for Genshin.
- I did, however, perform a source search for Ayaka, and I'm unfortunately not seeing a standalone article being able to survive for her. Definitely less sourcing available in the Reception department, and not much is coming up on the source searching I did. Coverage of her seems to fall under news articles that are effectively game guides or announcements of her coming to the game. I'm gonna have to agree with Zx's judgement of the draft article. I'll provide an English source search for the other characters soon. λ NegativeMP1 18:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- @NegativeMP1: Well it's now kind of paused since people on English Wikipedia are generally afraid of sources in languages other than English. Finding in-depth English sources can be a challenge, so it would be grateful if you are willing to help us. There is this Draft:Kamisato Ayaka that's still lacking more in-depth sources of commentary. Supergrey1 (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, is this translation project still on-going or planned? Or did it stop after Zhongli (Genshin Impact) got sent to AfD? λ NegativeMP1 07:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- After reviewing the possibility of being accused of REFBOMB, now I believe only Furina to be worth translating, at least for now. Only some of the characters received in-depth comments from the media and academic sources, for example, Furina, Shenhe, Yun Jin, and Zhongli. While Furina and Zhongli are both improved recently under my hands, I don't think the Chinese Wikipedia pages of Shenhe and Yun Jin have reached GNG standards (so next I'm going to improve them). Still, the Ayaka page can be improved (I just found some new sources) till it reaches notability standards. Supergrey1 (talk) 10:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
English source searching
[edit]Not qualifying game guide or announcement coverage.
- Amber: No good English sourcing, unfortunately. Expected otherwise since she's the first character in the game you meet minus Paimon, but whatever.
- Barbara: Not really seeing significant coverage of the character specifically, but there's definitely some silly stuff going on from reliable sources about here. Coverage of her newer voice actor ([5] [6]) exists, though.
- Fischl: One good source from Silicon era ([7]).
- Furina: This is one that I could actually see surviving, with good English source coverage. She has at least three good Reception pieces, ([8], [9], [10]) plus one discussing her impact on Genshin Impact's metagame ([11]). Furina can probably get an article.
- Ganyu: Nothing.
- Jean: Nothing
- Keqing: Aside from a promotional event releasing a smartphone themed around her ([12]), nothing.
- Nahida: No dice.
- Neuvillette: His character inspired a sort of TikTok trend, but nothing really substantial ([13], [14]).
- Sangonomiya Kokomi: No dice.
- Tartaglia: Nothing.
- Scaramouche/The Wanderer: He seemed to be well received by fans, but I can't find much critical on him. ([15], [16])
- Yae Miko: Nothing.
- Yun Jin: She got a good piece from Kotaku, ([17]), though not much else.
Depending on the state of the Chinese Wikipedia articles for these characters, these English sources could either be enough (even if only one English source is listed), or maybe not. Using only English sources at face value, I think Furina is the only one that can get an article that will likely survive. The others could also survive depending on Chinese Wikipedia sourcing, though. λ NegativeMP1 19:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Could you take a quick peek at the Wanderer article on Chinese Wikipedia (zh:流浪者 (原神)), especially the Reception section? I do believe the sources are good enough. Supergrey1 (talk) 05:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm interested in how none of the source searching I did brought up those sources. It might be a little weak, but it's definitely more than nothing. I could see the Wanderer being a safe article to translate, though others may disagree. λ NegativeMP1 08:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I've went ahead and created an article for Furina myself over at Furina (Genshin Impact). At the moment, no sources written in Chinese or non-English languages are incorporated. You, and anyone else, are free to add information from Chinese sources if any important information is absent from the English sources. λ NegativeMP1 23:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest adding these sources:
- ChuApp for the character design (especially the appearances, and the cultural references) and how it contributes to the overall popularity.
- Wenhui Bao for the song La vaguelette and how it portraits Furina as a character, its popularity and how it contributes to Furina's popularity.
- You can use AI Translator to help you read these articles. They are pretty in-depth. Supergrey1 (talk) 10:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest adding these sources:
Furina was always human
[edit]Masquerade of the Guilty confirmed this during and after her trial. She was created by Focalors to prevent the prophecy and cursed with immortality, but she was always human. 134.215.176.89 (talk) 10:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Voice actor sorting
[edit]Why is the sorting of voice actors (from to bottom): JP, EN, CN, KR when it should be CN, EN, JP, KR? RPC7778 (talk) 09:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Besides, are there any
British English or
North Korean voice actors in Genshin Impact? Or an
Euro English one?--170.64.218.143 (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Alrecchino
[edit]Arlecchino is about to become a playable character. Shouldn't she be listed in the table with other characters from Fontaine? Wishibroughtmydogtoclass (talk) 19:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's better to wait until her playability is officially confirmed. --KingErikII (Talk page) 13:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Father is coming in 4.6!! https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Arlecchino Wishibroughtmydogtoclass (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- We're going to need a reliable, secondary source that states if Arlecchino is becoming a playable character or not. Other wikis aren't acceptable sourcing per WP:USERG. λ NegativeMP1 16:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Father is coming in 4.6!! https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Arlecchino Wishibroughtmydogtoclass (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Cyno Korean VA
[edit]I see news for Cyno Korean VA is Death (Lee Woo-ri) So I try to add note information to this (SpecialDiff:1213987960). But I think The Official is announced in future change new voice actor for Cyno korean version in next update in future, like Tighnari English VA. Tiamichaelnuksu1994 (talk) 05:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- The news are indeed sad, but until miHoYo has announced a new VA, Lee Woo-ri will be listed as Cyno's Korean VA. Maybe we can add a note saying that Cyno was voiced by someone else in Korean when a new VA is announced, like what we're doing for Tighnari already. --KingErikII (Talk page) 10:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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