Talk:Chatzon

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Hakon (Хакон)[edit]

Hello. To the IP who keeps inserting "Хакон", read Византија и Словените од околината на Солун во VII век on page number 278. It says that only one author (presumably a Serbian one) renders his name as "Хакон", while everyone else renders his name as "Хацон". We should stick with the common transliteration. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the IP is located in Skopje. Jingiby (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And what does it have to do with standardization of modern Macedonian language? He was a leader of the Macedonian Slavs. Whether the therm had different meanings through history. The therm bulgarian was also fluctuating, meaning turkic peoples at first, than cuman and vlach peoples, than slavs. That doesn't stop you name everything connected to bulgarians in modern bulgarian alphabet which was codified by an american missionary Elias Riggs. 185.80.164.26 (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Хацон name doesn't exist. While Hakon, or Haakon (high one, royal) is still used in Norway. The Macedonian sources cite eng.wiki. which is totally misleading. I would recomend a book "byzantine sources for history for the peoples of yugoslavia" page 10. Published by serbian academy of sciences 1955 or so. Tnx. 185.80.164.26 (talk) 17:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Wikipedia is based on modern reliable sources, not on personal opinions. A book published 70 years ago in nonexistent Communist state is not a WP:RS. Jingiby (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many states are non existent. Communist or fascist. The efforts that they left are still here. https://www.quora.com/Was-Haakon-Sigurdsson-of-Norway-in-any-way-related-to-Vladimir-I-of-Rus 185.80.164.26 (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

first my edit was irrelevant because of my alphabet was codified 1945 (which has nothing to do with the article), than my reference is unworthy because it was published by academy of sciences of a communist state, communism also doesn't have to do anything with the article. You have some issues man, get them fixed. 185.80.164.26 (talk) 19:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. Keep in mind that here is not a forum. Also read carefully Wikipedia: identifying reliable sources. Jingiby (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep cool heads, shall we? Hacon indeed exists as a name, see Hacon. If Serbian sources or other Slavic sources refer to him as "Хакон", then you can provide them here and the transliteration can be added to the lead section. From what I've seen, Macedonian sources do not refer to him that way. It's not unreasonable to ask for a modern source, considering that some transliterations become dated and fall out of use. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are pseudo-historical arguments that try to equate two different historical figures who lived at different times in different parts of Europe. A Bulgarian professor of mathematics Yordan Tabov, who is also a pseudo-historian, wrote about the issue. His analysis is in Russian and equates a 6th century Slavic chieftain Hatson with an 11th century Viking king Håkan the Red. See here on pp. 45-46: Хацон или Хакон? Jingiby (talk) 20:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not so versed in wikipedia rules and the way things work. I am glad i interested you at least. Cheers. 89.205.59.138 (talk) 20:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]