Talk:China–Netherlands relations

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No[Ux00eb]l Golvers, 07:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Er, no, they didn't

China–Netherlands relations officially began in November 1954.[1]

I know this is sourced but it's still somewhere between misleading and patent nonsense. The Netherland's official relations with the PRC may have begun on that date, "China" now almost always refers in present-day contexts to the PRC, and the PRC is extremely protective of that situation and incensed at any present-day pluralization of the word, but someone talking about "China" in 1948, 1851, or 1665 is absolutely not talking about the PRC. If you're using "China" instead of "the People's Republic of China", that date is wrong.

It's slightly wrong even if you do use PRC, too, since the PRC itself believes it inherited all the international relations of its predecessor states. The Netherlands didn't agree during the period 1949 until (at least) 1954 but it presently agrees that the PRC is China and obligated by those previous relations, which were official well before that date even if you don't count the 1665 and subsequent VOC embassies.

(Overall this article isn't as bad as the Taiwan–Netherlands article that mostly focuses on the relationship of the Dutch with the island, but both could use better phrasing and WP:DONTLIE is still a pretty important guideline.) — LlywelynII 01:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]