Talk:Chvrches

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Debut single[edit]

The article credits "Lies" as the band's debut single; however many sources I've found while creating the "The Mother We Share" article suggest the otherwise. I know that it was posted online and was the first Chvrches track to surface, does this make it a single? Myxomatosis57 (talk) 16:51, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

  • "Lies" was the first song released by Chvrches but it's unclear if the band considered it as a single or a non-album song (at that time). Maybe because it was a free download at the time of release it shouldn't be added on the singles list. Also on Discogs the first single mentioned is "The Mother We Share". Even if I added "Lies" on the singles list when I opened the Chvrches wiki page last year (there were few bits of info available then), now I think it should be removed.Deepblue1 (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
  • I asked the band on Facebook some days ago and they said that "Lies" is not the debut single. Case closed. Deepblue1 (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
    • How does that conform to WP:SOURCES? DElliott (talk) 07:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
      • The sources about what is the first single are available on the net (one example). "The Mother We Share" is very often mentioned as the first single on almost every review/article/interview. To be 100% sure I asked the band directly. What is unclear? Deepblue1 (talk) 10:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
        • "I asked the band on Facebook some days ago and they said that "Lies" is not the debut single." does not appear to be a valid source. DElliott (talk) 11:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
          • That was AN ADDITIONAL SOURCE (primary source), directly from the band. Considering that I contributed the most to the Chvrches page (so far), I guess that I'm a credible person, right? Or I'm wasting my time with you? Deepblue1 (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
            • I'm sorry to hear that you feel it is a waste of time for you to explain how you are conforming to Wikipedia policy. WP:SELFSOURCE suggests that the band talking about itself on Social Media is okay in this instance. DElliott (talk) 15:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
              • And you're the police of Wikipedia policy? That policy wasn't written by other Wikipedia users? Too much bureaucracy for such small things. In fact it's too much bureaucracy on Wikipedia. Compare the ridiculous amount of Wikipedia policies of these days with 8-9 years ago when things were much simpler. /rant Deepblue1 (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
  • The National Anthem Records' page for "The Mother We Share" single suggests that it is the band's debut single. Considering that the song is also not listed on Discogs, we can conclude that it merely a dropped-in track rather than an official single. (This actually forces Wikipedia to define what a single is; this should be included in policies.) Myxomatosis57 (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust The Homunculus 02:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


ChvrchesChurches (band) – CHVRCHES is just how they write out their name. This is the actual name. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 15:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose: No way. Even if it's pronounced as "Churches", their actual name is Chvrches. Check their official site, Facebook page, Soundcloud, Tumblr, Discogs, Last.fm, reviews, interviews, albums/singles covers, everywhere is Chvrches, NOT Churches.
Why Chvrches? The reason is mentioned in the wiki page: "They chose the name Chvrches, using a Roman "v" to avoid confusions with actual churches on internet searches". It's not just a writing, it's the actual band name. And a name is not negotiable. Plus compare the views number of Chvrches with Churches (band). That speaks for itself. Nobody searches for Churches (band).
I added a redirect from Churches (band) to Chvrches. That's enough.Deepblue1 (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Talk:Deadmau5. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: The spelling does look like an unusual unpronounced stylization relative to MOS:TM and WP:AT (incl. WP:TITLETM), but it seems to provide an effective WP:NATURAL disambiguator in this case. In fact, it appears that it was specifically chosen as a disambiguator. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Reply: From WP:AT: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources". In this case is Chvrches (both official and most frequently used). Deepblue1 (talk) 10:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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One-off Songs[edit]

Why is this content considered noteworthy? DElliott (talk) 10:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

It is noteworthy. These are songs that didn't appear on any album. They should be mentioned somewhere. Deepblue1 (talk) 15:14, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
A Wikipedia search shows that only this article, Curve and ladytron have these types of sections. In those articles, all-but-one of the one-off songs were released on a physical collection. DElliott (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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