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Origin of the term[edit]

What is the origin of this term? When did it start being used, and by whom? Mr. Jones 10:36, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I am also curious about this page and why "forms of government" is not a subsection under Politics. This is not right. Civics is a Latin term for society and this definition is adding things I didn't know. Civics is compartive government???? There are no references and no history of the term, no reference to it in Latin history. I am with Mr. Jones. This needs to be discussed and some references provided here.WHEELER 00:12, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Civis is Latin for citizen.
Civitas is the technical Latin word for the right of citizenship. This current definition of this site is not right. It should all fall under Politics.WHEELER 00:14, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Where it says "not conclusive," I think you really meant "not exhaustive." (Or maybe both?) Hal G

Needs serious cleanup[edit]

This article seems very unfocused and messy (especially compared to other political articles), and so I tagged it for cleanup. —  Stevie is the man!  Talk | Work 18:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I will do some clean-up over the next few days. I am still very new to Wikipedia, but I'll stick to established norms as I best understand them. If I step on anyone's toes, I apologize in advance. --Darth Smurf (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Taking The Class[edit]

So I know this is a very interesting atricle, but I have one question. I am taking Civics next year as part of a required corse and I was looking for some more information on what the class will cover. Does anyone have any ideas?? Thanks!! LILLYofTHEsouth 22:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup by Structuring[edit]

LILLYofTHEsouth would appear to be a US high school student, otherwise she could consult a published syllabus for the course in question. At one time Civics was a requirement in the U.S. (when its motto was still E Pluribus Unum) but today it would be considered quaint. In any case such a syllabus should provide ideas for a structure/outline which is the thing this article needs. Current content should fit within it. Lycurgus 08:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd Like to remove Minarchy[edit]

As far as I can tell, minarchy is a form of libertarianism and does not need it's own definition here. Case in point: Jargon Database. I'd like to remove it. --Darth Smurf (talk) 05:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

my question, who is the father of civics? too hard huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.162.52 (talk) 09:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

What are "momuds"?[edit]

I can find no reference to this term other than this article. Asequer (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Chávez as dictator example?[edit]

Regardless what you think about some of his policies, surely it is a grave mistake to place Chávez among Mussolini, Stalin and Hitler? I've heard a lot of talk about Venezuela becoming "less democratic", especially from American government sources. Even if that is true, which I have my doubts about, "less democratic" does not mean "dictatorship". I don't think Venezuela or Chávez belong as examples in the dictatorship box. -mirshafie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirshafie (talkcontribs) 16:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Any democracy requires elections?[edit]

One sentence in the first subsectino reads:

Of special concern are the choice of a form of government and (if this is any form of democracy) the design of an electoral system and ongoing electoral reform.

I am not sure that every democracy requires elections. Elections are only necessary if there is a division of labor, so that a particular role will have to be occupied by some person or group of people, and so the society must decide who this will be. Arguably, "voluntary association", for example, does not require elections. -Pgan002 (talk) 06:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Monarchy as minimal hierarchy?[edit]

Section 1.1, "Examples of different types", lists Monarchy as having a minimal hierarchy and trist in civic institutions, less than libertarianism and democracy. How is that? It also correctly list constitutional monarchy and absolute monarchy as requiring a lot of trust in civic institutions, almost as much as dictatorship. -Pgan002 (talk) 07:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Differential[edit]

"Differential - Difference in practical application of law and its constructs based on biased societal factors, such as wealth, power, and national influence/stature."

Can someone please reword this sentence... I have read it several times and can't figure out what the hell it means --Sysys (talk) 05:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I've removed that example since it appears to have been added as some sort of joke. DeanBrettle (talk) 04:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Apolitical[edit]

Civics has nothing to do with politics. The fields have been intertwined due to a possible misunderstanding in applying law and ethics to a candidate's personal beliefs as to how to govern, but citizenship is not condusive to whether or not one adheres to a political body.

I suggest removing the 'Politics' infobox and possibly replacing it with 'Law'.Journalbug (talk) 06:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

December 2014 Cleanup request[edit]

While the topic is not very difficult to understand, the article's sentences are so long and densely packed with information that readers are likely to become confused. This article needs to be rewritten, expanding dense sentences into paragraphs for better clarity and accessibility. --Skr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.170.224.226 (talk) 20:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Need of differentiating between Civics and Legal awareness[edit]

Since this article is tagged rightly for entire re-writing I will be taking following mentioned nuances into account.

I have been working on some of legal theory articles since last five years. There seems to be a lack of standardisation in using terminologies and many authors seems to use one terminology for describing some thing else and readers also get confused with the same. Making diffrenciation between oranges and lemons becomes difficult for encyclopedic presentation of knowledge. For an example Some authors from some countries use 'Legal literacy' term for Legal awareness i.e. Public legal education where as some authors use 'Legal literacy' for whole of legal education that includes school and college education. Actually Legal awareness i.e. Public legal education and Civics are simmiler but different concepts.

As Crittenden Jack & Levine Peter mention. in their essay 'Civic Education'. "..Nevertheless, most scholarship that uses the phrase “civic education” investigates deliberate programs of instruction within schools or colleges,.....Nevertheless, it is important not to lose sight of the fact that civic education takes place at all stages of life and in many venues other than schools. also Para 1 ...It is certainly not limited to schooling and the education of children and youth. Families, governments, religions, and mass media are just some of the institutions involved in civic education, understood as a lifelong process."


Legal awareness i.e. Public legal education sticks to legal rights and essential legal duties. Civics expects ideal behaviour too. For example simple Legal awareness informs an individual that you have right even to not report an untoward incidance unless there is a statutory duty to inform; Where as education in Civics expects an individual to adher to an ideal behaviour to report and provide possible help in case he observes an untoward incidance as part of positive community engagement.

But few authors and thier readers do not seem to take above nuance into account and go beyond the scope without acknowledging so. Again U.S. authors and readers seems to use different terminology than UK lead commonwealth countries. But again there too since US is a leading nation even in commonwealth countires like in India there is a trend to use US terminologies. So let that be for us at wikipedia's encyclopedic writing we need to take these nuances in to account and also remember that US is not center for univers as far as an encyclopedia is concerned.

Since this article is tagged rightly for entire re-writing I will be taking above mentioned nuances into account and re-writing the article. Others can have a different view please feel free to discuss and make changes.

Thanks and Regards

Mahitgar (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Forking out 'civic education in the United States' as a separate article[edit]

Since this article is tagged rightly for entire re-writing I will be taking following mentioned nuances into account.


'Civic education in the United States' has taken too much of space in the article as if US is centere of the universe but for encyclopedia it can not be so. I do belive 'Civic education in the United States' can rightfully have a separate article specially so when enough content is available, secondly definition of civics reffered by US people is bit broader compared to rest of the globe. We shall fork out that portion as a new article. and we can have a small paragraph about the same in main Civics article here.

Mahitgar (talk) 04:39, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Mahitgar (talk) 12:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Part of content forking out to wikibooks[edit]

At Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance undersigned has made a request to have a look at Civics article. First four sections of the article (namely:1 Examples of civic activity,1.1 Voting,1.2 Taxation,2 Jury duty,3 Townhall meeting,4 Government, 4.1 Examples of different types) seem to be more suitable for en wikibooks. So I propose to fork them out to en-wikibooks if en-wikibooks project is ready to do so. If necessary at a latter stage we can incorporate the necessary info back into the article. But as of now forking out will help in rewriting the article from scratch since the article has been tagged for rewriting.


Thanks and regards Mahitgar (talk) 05:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


Mahitgar (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed new Section Definition[edit]

English witionary defines Civics as "The study of good citizenship and proper membership in a community." Where as merriam-webster dictionary defines civics as "the study of the rights and duties of citizens and of how government works." Where as definition from dictionary.com is "the study or science of the privileges and obligations of citizens."




Mahitgar (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed new section, Thought, philosophy, and different approaches to Civics education[edit]

Pl feel free to contribute to this prposed section




Mahitgar (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

New proposed section : 'Related concepts'[edit]

Pl. feel free to add info in this proposed new section


Mahitgar (talk) 16:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)