Talk:Constance Fozzard

A fact from Constance Fozzard appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Constance Fozzard was told during her surgical training that women with children could not become consultants?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Constance Fozzard was told during her training as a surgeon that it was not possible for a woman to have a family and become a consultant? Source: "During this phase in her career a senior colleague advised her that it was incompatible for a woman to have a family and become a consultant."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Harkin

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing. Airborne84 (talk) 02:50, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough and long enough. Hook is reasonably interesting but may need a paraphrase or quote marks for the following passage cited: "for a woman to have a family and become a consultant". Hook could be reduced in size a bit. QPQ complete. Airborne84 (talk) 03:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about ALT1 below? Airborne84 (talk) 03:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ~~... that a physician told Constance Fozzard during her surgeon training that women with families could not be consultants?~~

Also, I don't see that it's required for DYK, but any reason why there's no "infobox person"? Airborne84 (talk) 03:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 ... that Constance Fozzard was told during her surgical training that it was not possible for women with children to become consultants?

@Airborne84: Thanks for the review. Unfortunately ALT1 is problematic because of the use of "physician", which in the UK refers to a specific type of (non-surgeon) doctor, and it is very likely that this advice came from a surgeon (but not said explicitly in the source). I have paraphrased the original hook as ALT2 – what do you think? 97198 (talk) 12:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense. I think it's fine. I offer ALT2a below with slightly more concise wording. If you think this misses the mark, we could go with ALT2. Airborne84 (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2a ... that Constance Fozzard was told during her surgical training that women with children could not become consultants?

@Airborne84: I'm happy with that, thanks. 97198 (talk) 02:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@97198: Thanks—passing the nomination. For the promoter, ALT2a is the preferred hook. Airborne84 (talk) 22:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]