Talk:County Road 3

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Topics	U.S. county roads
Locations	Florida

Requested moves

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. It is apparent that a discussion is required as to whether these should be disambiguation pages or set indices. Philg88 ^♦talk 06:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:CONCISE, WP:MALPLACED, and WP:INCOMPDAB. There is no need to include the disambiguator "(Florida)" in any of these titles, as these are disambiguation pages, not articles, and there are no articles on non-Florida roads with these titles to disambiguate against. See also Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Request for comment on WP:INCOMPDAB issues. bd2412 T 22:29, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, of course. The same idea as MOS:PRECISION applies here: "M-185 is precise enough to be unambiguous, but Wikipedia:Naming conventions (U.S. state and territory highways) specify adding the qualifier M-185 (Michigan highway) with a redirect from M-185" --NE2 22:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which disambiguation page are you talking about, there? bd2412 T 22:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This one. --NE2 23:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose the proposed titles should all be set indices on roads, as many counties have numbered roads. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 23:48, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- So your opposition is premised on these becoming set indices? I would completely support these being set indices, but NE2 seems to prefer having them as disambiguation pages. bd2412 T 23:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - "We only made them separate because some editors wanted to format them as list articles and not navigational pages." In other words, something like this formatted as a navigational page can be considered both a disambiguation and a set-index article. The only difference is which template is used. --NE2 00:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm confused by the set index proposal, and at this point I would oppose the plain titles being set indices rather than disambiguation pages; even though they're all country roads, the number is not really a significant characteristic that unifies them in any way that would justify making set indices. That is to say, all country roads in Florida would be a more justifiable set index than all country roads named "3". Am I missing something? Dekimasuよ! 00:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's the rub - I have no objection to set indices at the current titles, or disambiguation pages at the plain titles. If they are going to be disambiguation pages, the disambiguator becomes superfluous. There are, by the way, articles on county roads in Florida, but they are arranged by county (e.g. List of county roads in Broward County, Florida). bd2412 T 00:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - I was thinking more of a format like highway 3 which is a SIA, so any movement of these pages would become a conversion to a list-type article (List of highways numbered 3), so these would be converted to List of county roads numbered X the commonality being numbered county roads, and that this would be a sublist from a more general list of numbered county roads (a master index) A different sublist SIA would be List of numbered county roads of Florida ; they would end up at Category:Lists of roads sharing the same title -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 01:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        List of numbered county roads of Florida would be a list article like list of state roads in Florida, not some sort of disambiguation or alternate euphemism. (Note that in Florida, most county road numbers are in the same grid as state roads.) See Minnesota State Highway 62 for a similar case. --NE2 02:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        
        That List of highways numbered 3 also seems like a really bad idea as a set index to me. It's a pretty clear granfalloon. "List of county highways in X," sure. "List of people whose names end in E," no. Dekimasuよ! 21:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support all--this is so grounded in common sense I can't understand the arguments against it. Red Slash 04:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support all, a basic map search on "County Road 3" instantly revealed 6 options. Neither the words county, road or 3 are specific to the United States or Florida. Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:42, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all. Which county? Which state? The title should contain at least the latter. It should follow MOS:PRECISION, with the state disambiguator. The new titles, while technically correct, are too generalized and confusing. Epicgenius (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support either moving the pages as per the proposal (and adding other county roads in other states with the same numbers) (first choice), or making each of these a road-number set index (second choice). It looks like virtually everyone in this discussion supports that these are either to be moved or made into road-number set index pages, and I think those are the options the policies give. But I also think we need to look more closely at whether we need any of these pages. Looking at the actual pages County Road 183 (Florida) and County Road 318 (Florida) each have only one link to any existing article, so they should definitely be deleted because there is nothing to disambiguate. County Road 3 (Florida) should probably just be deleted, because it only has two links (both redirects), and one is for an extinct road so the road that exists now is the lone realistic primary topic. County Road 138 (Florida) is pretty similar same except it also has two red links. County Road 150 (Florida) includes two redirects to the same article? (both are to List of former state roads in Florida). - WPGA2345 - ☛ 07:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Neither CR 3 is "extinct". The one on pre-1945 SR 3 is a Florida Scenic Highway. --NE2 07:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose County Road 611 (Florida) → County Road 611, neutral on the others. The numerous Virginia State Route 611s are often referred to as "County Road 611" and County Road 611 should redirect to List of highways numbered 611. However, if the intent is to widen the scope of the articles beyond Florida, disregard everything I just said and I can add the info to the article after a move. — AjaxSmack 02:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a necessary question arising from this naming scheme. If there are multiple states with county roads sharing these numbers, are we going to have one page for all states having a uniquely numbered county road, and a separate disambiguation page for each individual state that has a couple roads sharing these numbers? bd2412 T 03:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to have simple name for disambiguation pages. Katy Gallaghon (talk) 19:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Oppose this, but I think AjaxSmack is on to something. Since we already have lists of highways per number, why reinvent the wheel? We should redirect County Road 3 (Florida) to List of highways numbered 3, and so on. –Fredddie ™ 23:11, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.