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"Instead of treacherous quislings, or at best, a ridiculously inefficient formation, as they were portrayed by the previous communist regime, they are hailed as a symbol of Croatian statehood and military virtue, drawing on the history of the Imperial Croatian Home Guard. The very name "Home Guard" is taken as a symbol of a true Croatian soldier not being involved in any aggressive war or attacking someone else's country. For many modern Croatian nationalists, this is part of a more positive appraisal of the new Home Guards, by which World War II Home Guards presumably did not participate in the war's worst excesses.[citation needed]"

Knowing what was told about it in WWII, this should be deleted. Also, keeping EXACTLY THE SAME NAME AS USTASHE FORMATION together with past links of Tudjmans regime to past Ustashas, doesn`t sound good at all.

New formations have a new names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rastavox (talk • contribs) 13:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to Croatian Legion

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The Croat legion has nothing to do with the home gaurd or Ustasha militia - they are an elite standalone unit specifically recruited for the Eastern front. Have thus removed reference to it. Also, unaware of any home gaurd being used in Serbia, they were specifically used in local areas. iruka 13:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yugoslavia

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This article was clearly written by a non croat, serb sympathiser. it continually refers to Croatia as Yugoslavia, when in fact during WW2, Croatia was not under Yugoslav rule. Also it does not mention any battles tha may have been fought, just negatives —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.159.2.32 (talk) 23:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to Chetniks

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The equating of rehabilitating the chetniks to that of the home gaurd is flawed on a number or accounts and provides a false equivalence. Namely:

  • The WW2 chetniks were largely the Serbian version of the Ustasha - a militia that committed war crimes as part of an ethnic cleansing campaign;
  • The home guard was a professional army (although poorly motoivated one), that did not take part in the excesses of the regime (largely b/c the regime did not trust them), and were largely an ineffective force devoid of political ideology;
  • There was no controversy with granting of pensions to the home gaurd, b/c they are untarnished with war crimes - whereas with the chetniks, they are tarnished by war crimes in both WW2 & the 1990's wars.

Accordingly, have removed offending passage. iruka 13:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


missing stuff

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what about first domobran in 1868.??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.196.121 (talk) 21:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Where are the references for the section "defections"? That seems like if the editor wants to put the croats as cowards and the section has not any reference. Anyway, a reference cannot justify a non-neutral point of view. --190.172.251.241 (talk) 06:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What?

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The task of the new Croatian armed forces was to defend the new state against both foreign and domestic enemies.[1]

I don't get it? If by "defend the new state against both foreign and domestic enemies" you mean to praise the nazi Germans like your brothers and kill all non-Croats (Jews, Serbs, Roma people, etc.), then yes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.77.14.138 (talk) 07:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title of Article

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The title of the article is questionable. The Army of the NDH (referred to in this article as the 'Home Guard') was created by a proclamation referred to by Tomasevich (2001, p. 417) as 'the Law on the Establishment of the Army and Navy', then later organised into the army (Domobrani), consisting of the land army, the navy, the air force, and for a short period of time, the gendarmerie. Milazzo refers to them as the Croatian Army (p. 69), and Tomasevich (1975, p. 107) refers to the 'Croatian army'. I intend to propose the article be moved to the 'Army of the Independent State of Croatia'. Peacemaker67 (talk) 03:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered about the commonness, but a scholar search shows it's not really that common, so the proposal seems reasonable enough. We have another clumsy name: Croatian Armed Forces (Independent State of Croatia). I'm thinking it should be renamed to match (to "Armed Forces of the Independent State of Croatia"). Using the adjective "Croatian" to primarily refer to NDH is largely offensive anyway. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
BTW this doesn't seem like a particularly controversial move, so going through WP:RM is unnecessary. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, hopefully not a controversial one, but you never know in this neck of the woods... I would have thought the same re: using Croatian to refer to NDH troops, and have the same view re "Armed Forces of the Independent State of Croatia". I'll get to work! Peacemaker67 (talk) 00:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The official name of the NDH army (including ground army, air forces and the navy) from 1941 to 1944 was Croatian Home Guard. When the Home Guard and the Ustashe Militia merged in 1944, the new name of the NDH army was Croatian Armed Forces.--Calapone (talk) 12:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
what's your reference for that? Peacemaker67 (talk) 13:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This book.--Calapone (talk) 14:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have so much of an issue with the title proper, but with the disambiguator: how about Croatian Home Guard (World War II) instead? Other Croatian Home Guards are already disambiguated by time period, and the current title "Croatian Home Guard (Independent State of Croatia)" is both unwieldy and makes me say "Duh! Croatian Home Guard from Croatia!" No such user (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't have an issue with it any more, but I agree. I'll move it, it doesn't seem controversial to me. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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