Talk:Dartmouth Big Green football

Team Color

The official Dartmouth College color is Dartmouth Green. If the football team color automatically follows the college's color, then it is a mistake to identify green and white as the team colors in this article. The uniforms use black and white without those colors becoming official team colors. Unless the team has decided to make its official color differ from Dartmouth's, the article should be changed to list only green. --Greenmachinist (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Source? The 2010 media guide says otherwise: [1]. As does another Dartmouth athletic team, "Dartmouth Green and White": [2]. Strikehold (talk) 20:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wikipedia entry for Dartmouth correctly lists the school color as Dartmouth Green alone. John King Lord says green was adopted in 1866. "Ask Dartmouth" has a quote from a history of the color saying green was the only decent color not already taken by another school. A piece of the original green ribbon has a caption saying green was adopted in 1866. When you put a number on a uniform or put a stripe or border on an oar blade or a helmet it helps to use black or white or pink to make it stand out, and teams have always done this. Those two-tone combinations did not become the official school colors. They might be the official or semi-official colors of the individual teams however. If the football team really uses colors that are different from the official school color, that would be noteworthy and worth explaining in the article. --Greenmachinist (talk) 18:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe the media guide is mistaken, but it says what it says. The article should explain how and when the football team's colors came to differ from the school's color(s). --Greenmachinist (talk) 14:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Not without a reliable source, otherwise it is WP:SYNTH. As a side note, of the sources you provide, none specifically say that green is the only color that has ever been used. Why would a sports team have only one color anyway? You can look at their uniforms and helmets and see firsthand that they use two colors. Strikehold (talk) 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree we need to find a reliable source to explain this strange situation. I doubt that such a source exists, because I believe the media guide is mistaken regarding the officialness of the color white. It is a sort of tradition, along with black and lavender and other shades of green, but it can be changed and sometimes is changed from year to year. Was it two uniforms ago that Dartmouth used two different shades of green along with black? Why would a sports team have only one official color? Have you heard of the All Blacks, or the Dutch Oranje? Or the Harvard Crimson? Having one color doesn't prevent the team from using other colors for socks or pants, and they obviously must use a second color for numbers. You should read those old sources again since they all say green is the color. Not green and white. They needed to pick a color in 1866 and all the other good ones were taken (orange, crimson, blue, brown). The reason the sources do not say green is the "only" color is that it is obvious and implicit. No school needed two official colors until all the good single colors were chosen. That's one way to tell what the oldest schools are. So maybe calling white an "official" color instead of using it and discarding it from time to time is anti-elitist, a way of saying we're no different from the rest. --Greenmachinist (talk) 20:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

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