Talk:David Manners, 11th Duke of Rutland

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Notability tag - sources

"...the sources in the article are either not reliable, do not provide significant coverage, are not secondary or are not independent." Into which category/ categories do the BBC, The Times and The Daily Telegraph fall? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Martinevans123, all three are reliable sources per WP:RSP. The problem is that none of the three currently provide significant coverage of the Duke. Pilaz (talk) 12:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They are required to simply support the claims made where they are used? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They are fine for verifiability purposes (WP:V), but they are insufficient to demonstrate notability (WP:GNG) since they don't cover the subject of the article in depth. The problem is notability, not verifiability. Pilaz (talk) 21:13, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that would reject a source such as this on the grounds that it is promotional and/or WP:SPS? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, since it's not independent from the subject. Pilaz (talk) 23:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seems the only independent source, that gathers all the reliable information about Manners together, in one place, is this Wikipedia article. A perfect reason to delete it then, it seems. Can't be trusted. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's always the Leicester Mercury...? JezGrove (talk) 00:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is based on the interaction of the Duke with the Daily Mail, which has been deprecated since 2017, so that likely won't fly at AfD either. That's my personal assessment of that source. Pilaz (talk) 03:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I found quite a lot of DM coverage on him and the Duchess. The DM seems to love all that Royal and peerage-goss, doesn't it. So some may have filtered down to (even) lesser outlets. But I'm surprised you want to start any Spring cleaning here when I'm sure there are many article stubs on British peers that will never be more than stubs. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]