Talk:Dear John (Taylor Swift song)

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Review: December 15, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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https://web.archive.org/web/20101101095948/http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/ourcountry/67228/dear-john-x2-jessie-james-vs-taylor-swift-smackdown/

A fact from Dear John (Taylor Swift song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that musician John Mayer dismissed Taylor Swift's "Dear John" as "cheap songwriting"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dear John (Taylor Swift song).

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Can I change this to "Article"?

Hey! I've seen that you are mostly done with this article, I'm suggesting merging "Background" and "Composition" because it kinda the same thing and so you or I can finally change this to "Article" and people can see this incredibly detailed Taylor Swift article? Gained (talk) 13:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the suggestion sounds bad, but I have an another suggestion, we can move the first one of "Background" because it kinda sounds like the song's background than the song's composition. Gained (talk) 14:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, all of my suggestions are terrible. I will just try to make the "Background" column. Gained (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My Background edit is finished but at the worst possible time, my phone crashed now I lost them all, I hate my phone. Gained (talk) 15:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After that psychological trauma that I will never forget, I just realized that my "Background" edit was mostly entirely about "Speak Now" than the actual song. I will be changing the title "Composition" and calling it "Background and composition". Gained (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your interest in the article. I think the draft is still nowhere near completion because I'm having more sources that are not being used. I'd get back to Wikipedia by this weekend; I'm having some real-life stuff going on right now. In the meantime, please do input stuff as long as you find new material. Ippantekina (talk) 08:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is the "Background" page good enough? Please I need feedback. Gained (talk) 13:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It reads like a fansite/gossip site. And because Swift herself said "I never disclose who my songs are about", it is unencyclopedic to claim that "Dear John" was inspired by Mr. Mayer. Ippantekina (talk) 04:19, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that musician John Mayer dismissed Taylor Swift's song "Dear John" as "cheap songwriting"? Source: "Rocker dismisses tune as 'cheap songwriting' " ([https://web.archive.org/web/20120623203359/http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/john-mayer-taylor-swifts-dear-john-song-humiliated-me-20120606#ixzz2t9D1IA1w Rolling Stone)
- Reviewed: Moor frog

Created by Ippantekina (talk). Self-nominated at 03:54, 7 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 14:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - ?
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Waiting for a QPQ as this is the sixth time they've sent something to DYK. The statement in the lead about live performances needs to be in the prose (and cited ofc). The hook can be made more concise by removing "Taylor Swift~~'s song~~" because readers can glean from context clues what "Dear John" is. Everything else seems fine - this hook seems the best we got with the article's information. Off-topic, but this is my favourite track from SN! ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 11:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. Please wait for me to get back to this by the weekend. If I'm still inactive by then, please do ping me as a reminder. Best, Ippantekina (talk) 10:17, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ippantekina as you requested :) ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 05:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Your Power: Hi, thanks for the ping. I've added to the article what's supposed to be added and done my QPQ. Ippantekina (talk) 04:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I suppose this is good to go then, @Ippantekina. For anyone looking to promote this, note that I echo the same sentiments NLH expressed below. It will be a bad look running an abundance of hooks related to Swift in relatively quick succession. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 13:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per a discussion over at WT:DYK, it may be a good idea to wait a while to promote this should this be approved, as there have been some concerns that there may have been too many Taylor Swift-related hooks on DYK within a short amount of time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:39, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]