Talk:Doyle Doss

This article was nominated for deletion on 16 January 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

This page was proposed for deletion by Ellin Beltz (talk · contribs) on 15 January 2013 with the comment:
Non-notable due to no significant awards or honors, no nominations for same, no widely recognized contribution to his field, no text in the article, only sources include subject's own website and two brief mentions in the press. WP:SPIP

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AFD

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doyle Doss for AFD discussion. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re-categorise as

WP:JOKE Basket _Feudalist 15:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP

You have linked to a generic Megan's Law website. I also have questions about how WP:Notable this is. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have serious questions about notability, as well, but apparently the article was once nominated for deletion and no consensus was reached to delete it. The Megan's Law site has a search engine and, if you enter Doyle Doss' name, you get the information quoted in the article. --Yaush (talk) 23:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you choose to renominate for deletion as non-notable, I'll support that. We'll have to overcome the brief mentions in NYT, though, which create a strong presumption of notability in a lot of editor's minds. --Yaush (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was writing about the alleged conviction. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How can his conviction for pedophilia not be notable? --Yaush (talk) 14:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a complex case. I'm aware that the guideline at WP:BLPPRIMARY says that "public documents" should not be used "to support assertions about a living person." At the Megan's Law website, the public documents are several layers down, accessible only via search. None of the records of the registered sexual offenders can be linked directly. Instead, the reader is asked to check a box saying that they will not use the information "to harass an offender or his or her family". After that, the reader is allowed to search the records. I think this legal formality, and the layers of protocol preventing easy access to the public record, eases the concern Wikipedia has about this being a primary source.

The Megan's Law disclaimer also raises the concern about mistaken identity, based on a simple name search, but for a guy like Doyle Doss the likelihood is nil; one would expect mistaken identity to be a problem only for common names, but his name is quite unusual. How many Doyles Doss are there?

Overall, Doss's biography is borderline notable. It was always promotional, involving pseudoscientific claims for an invention which is claimed to yield impossible benefits. Perhaps if the biography were nominated once again for deletion, the presence of the Megan's Law records would tip the balance against it, and we could finally delete the guy. Binksternet (talk) 15:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Over the years I've seen lots of facts deleted as WP:Fancruft or not WP:Notable in an encyclopedic sense. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:35, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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