Talk:Ed Wood (film)

Importance

Won two oscars, regarded as burtons best work, on imdb top 250 Andman8 23:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no direct link to "Plane 9" article? Is there any reason for this? --achab 13:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

Perhaps a quote section should be added, having seen the movie quite a few times there a lot of memorable and funny quotes throughout the movie that I would be more than happy to add to.

"This is the one I'll be remembered for"

Did Ed Wood really say this during the premiere of "Plan 9" in 1957? If so, how poetic and prophetic!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.66.129.231 (talk) 07:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Factual Inaccuracies

Shouldn't we move it down a bit perhaps? 83.67.217.254 19:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Berle or Skelton?

The incident mentioned in the Bela Lugosi Factual Inaccuracies section is stated to have occurred on the Milton Berle Show, but the Bela Lugosi WP article says that it occurred on the Red Skelton Show. Here is the exact quote from the Bela Lugosi article: Late in Lugosi's life, comedian Red Skelton invited Lugosi to appear on a live CBS telecast. As was depicted in the Tim Burton film Ed Wood, Lugosi (portrayed by Martin Landau in an Oscar-winning role) had learned the script for a skit and was confused when Skelton began to ad lib. However, Burton, did not actually identify the comedian in the biopic, although the events depicted were correct. Hi There 12:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

http://s109.photobucket.com/user/tomwolf38732/media/Misc%20Stuff/bela.mp4.html <-That might be it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.105.156.54 (talk) 04:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

ok, this might be or is suppose to be.. Merle or maybe Skelton?? but i swear, just MY opinion, the live TV show, the character standing next to the Lugosi-filled coffin.. seems to me, to be Charlie Callas. Which, still MIGHT have happen on Merle's or Skelton's show... or maybe on Sid Caesar's 'Your Show of Shows'!! i dont know.. 76.218.250.61 (talk) 00:01, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

At Worst or At Best?

The Bela Lugosi Factual Errors section contains the following statement: Lugosi never expressed his opinion of Boris Karloff. At best, they could be called professional rivals, but certainly not enemies. This is simply incorrect usage; I have changed "at best" to "at worst". Hi There 12:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Changing "at worst" to "at most" is also incorrect English usage. So I have changed it back to "at worst".Hi There 21:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Libel-esque Material

I know you can't, legally speaking, libel dead people but some of the claims made in the "fictions" section are downright disgusting. Considering how there's not even a hint of a source for this stuff, I am going to remove a few of the more outrageous claims. Do not replace unless you have some evidence to back these smears up. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 09:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Fictions

Since this is largely unreferenced, I'm moving this section here until it can be properly cited and sourced. --J.D. (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Although the film is avowedly stylized and heightened for comic effect, most of the major events it depicts are substantial departures from truth:

In Burton's film, Dolores Fuller learns of Wood's transvestitism after reading the screenplay for Glen or Glenda. In reality, she remained unaware until the film was finished.

Wood did not meet Bela Lugosi coming out of a funeral parlor wearing his Dracula cape: they met when Wood looked him up in the phone book, called Lugosi and was invited over for a visit, and met him in slacks and an open collar shirt in Lugosi's small home. In general, Lugosi did not go about Los Angeles in his cape, nor did he visit funeral parlors or sleep in coffins.

We see Wood (Johnny Depp) dressed as a woman doing an Arabian-type dance at the wrap party for Bride of the Monster, and later directing Plan 9 dressed in drag. These events did not happen, but Wood did double for leading lady Mona McKinnon in one brief exterior shot.

The film implies that Glen or Glenda was the first film ever written or directed by Wood. In reality, Wood wrote and directed Streets of Laredo in 1948; wrote, produced and directed The Sun Was Setting in 1951 and wrote Lawless Rider in 1952.

Burton depicts Tor Johnson as a newcomer to the movies whom Wood "discovers" around the time of the production of Bride of the Monster in 1955. In fact, Johnson had acted in films since at least 1934, appearing in a number of films in uncredited roles.

Johnson is also seen at the premiere of Plan 9 from Outer Space with two plump young children (this was a sight gag) when, in reality, his children were adults by that time. In fact his son secured the use of the police car for the film.

Loretta King is shown getting the lead role in Bride of the Monster, over Dolores Fuller, but due to a story of her financing the film.

Wood was a roommate of b-film importer and producer Alex Gordon at the time "Bride of the Monster" was conceived and produced and, in fact, it was Gordon, not Wood, who wrote the story and screenplay. Yet Gordon is not even mentioned by Burton, much less included as a significant character in Wood's life at the time.

No one stole the rubber octopus, or anything else, from Republic Pictures. It was rented, along with the three cars which appear prominently in "Bride of the Monster", and other props and costumes.

The Baptist ministers who sponsored Plan 9 were not opposed to the title Graverobbers From Outer Space. The exact circumstances are unknown, but the film, which took three years to release, was distributed as Plan 9 From Outer Space without any involvement of the congregation. It is possible that Wood, or his distributor, were trying to avoid paying royalties.

In addition, although Wood and the principal cast really was baptized, only Tor Johnson's baptismal took place in a pool due to his size.

Bunny Breckinridge is depicted as an old friend of Ed Wood's, but in fact they did not meet until the filming of Plan 9, after being introduced through mutual friend Paul Marco. Similarly, Marco was in fact introduced to Wood by Criswell.

The homosexuality of several Wood "regulars" was entirely omitted in the film.

In order to give the film a somewhat uplifting ending, the script takes its most serious licenses at the end. Wood never met Orson Welles at the Musso & Frank Grill, though this scene was most likely done to suggest common troubles between the two directors, despite their widely differing status in the film world. However, Welles is shown griping about the casting of Touch of Evil (1958) which was not in production in 1956.

Plan 9 also did not have the glamorous premiere depicted. In fact it was not released at all until three years after its completion.

Bela Lugosi Fictions

Most points of contention, if any, with the film's liberties have had to do with the depiction of Bela Lugosi. Lugosi's son, Bela Lugosi Jr. initially disapproved of his father's portrayal in the film, despite not having seen it. After a long correspondence with Martin Landau, Lugosi, Jr. was persuaded to view the film in Landau's company, after which he declared that Landau had "honored" his father with his portrayal, and the actor and the late star's son became friends as a result. Among the inaccuracies:

Being an old fashioned European, Lugosi was not prone to fits of swearing, particularly in front of women. When Tim Burton realized how funny it sounded hearing Lugosi shout curse words, he decided to clean up the language of the other characters to spotlight the joke.

Lugosi was well known for his courtly manners and professional behavior on the set. The expletive-filled tirade over Boris Karloff as depicted during the filming of Glen or Glenda is fictitious. Lugosi, in fact, was never known to swear.

Also in the Glen or Glenda segment, a makeup artist notices a row of needle marks on Lugosi's forearm. He was a morphine addict but did not inject into his arms. Instead, he injected the drug into his lower leg and covered the needle marks with band-aids. While getting his makeup applied he was actually afraid someone would notice the band-aids. (Source: Lugosi: The Man Behind the Cape, by Robert Cremer, Henry Regnery Co. 1976.)

Lugosi is depicted as living in the Baldwin Hills neighborhood in southwestern Los Angeles. In reality, Lugosi lived in Los Feliz, a Los Angeles neighborhood near Hollywood, at the time, and never lived in Baldwin Hills. This inaccuracy in the film may have been a deliberate choice on Burton's part, because of Burton's love of 1950s suburban architecture, quite common in Baldwin Hills, most of which was developed after World War II, but rare in Los Feliz, which was developed in the 1910s and 1920s.

The scene of Lugosi freezing up on television is loosely based on a 1954 incident on Milton Berle's show. Berle began ad-libbing and Lugosi, being almost deaf at this point and a stickler to scripts, simply continued his dialogue while attempting to ignore Berle. Though a very awkward moment, the sketch did not grind to a halt as shown in the film.

The attempted suicide by Lugosi depicted in the film is based on an account given by Ed Wood, but his is the only testimony of this incident. Most of Lugosi's friends and family have stated that he was deeply afraid of death and suicide would be completely against his nature.

Wood had no direct connection with Lugosi entering a rehabilitation center, though he did visit him often.

The account of Lugosi having to leave the hospital prematurely is only partially accurate. Lugosi was asked to leave the Motion Picture Country Home Hospital due to ineligibility after three weeks, so he quickly checked into Los Angeles General Hospital. There, he made a full recovery and newsreel footage exists of him leaving under his own power. In the interview, an ebullient Lugosi expresses his eagerness to start work on Wood's The Ghoul Goes West. (Source: This and other interviews were released as The Lugosi Files by Sinister Cinema.)

In the film, the famous footage of Lugosi picking a flower takes place outside Lugosi's house. In reality, the house belonged to Tor Johnson.

The Burton film depicts Lugosi as dying alone and miserable. Lugosi's wife of 20 years, Lillian, did leave him in 1953, but he remarried in 1955 to Hope Lininger. They were together until his death a year later, albeit the marriage was largely unsuccessful. This fact, plus any reference to Lugosi's teenage son, Bela Jr., are omitted.

In the bio-pic, Lugosi's funeral is attended only by Ed Wood and his acolytes. In reality, Lugosi's funeral was well-attended by his family and numerous friends, though the ceremony was comparatively low-key to most Hollywood funerals.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ed Wood (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I am reviewing your article for GA and will add some comments below. It looks like well written article but it needs copy editing. Do you mind if I do some minor copy editing, rather than listing all the problems? I only have a few comments, if I fix the copy editing myself. (I may add more later.) —Mattisse (Talk) 00:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• Comments
• "With Lugosi attached as actor, Ed convinces Weiss..." - What does "attached as actor" mean?
• "Although Lugosi begins to feel much better, he dies days later. Ed begins to financially struggle, but he finds out that his landlord, Mr. Reynolds, along with other members from the Baptist Church of Beverly Hills, plan on making 12 individual films about the Twelve Apostles." - How are these events related? The "but" indicates a contradictory relationship eg. "A is happening but B happened instead.

—Mattisse (Talk) 00:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and copy-edit. You seem to be very experienced. I'm going to fix those two sentences. Wildroot (talk) 01:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• You need to decide whether you want to call people by their first or last names. For example, in the plot you call everyone by their last name, except Ed. Elsewhere, you refer to Wood at least once. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

That's kind of hard. In the movie, Edward D. Wood, Jr. is referred to simply as Ed, Bunny Beckenridge is referred to as Bunny, etc. They differ from time to time. Wildroot (talk) 04:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. I fixed a few things (punctuation, ref page nos). Very interesting article. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): Clearly tells the story b (MoS): No important MoS errors

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): The article is well referenced b (citations to reliable sources): Uses reliable sources c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): Sets the context b (focused): remains focused on topic

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias: It is neutral in point of view

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Congradulations!

—Mattisse (Talk) 18:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Botched quotation

The section on Historical Inaccuracies quotes author Ken Hanke: "Parker's performance presents her as a kind of sitcom moron for the first part of the film and a rather judgmental at wholly pleasant character in her later scenes." The phrase "judgmental at wholly pleasant" would appear to be some kind of transcription error. Does anyone have the correct version? - InvisibleSun (talk) 03:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

References

Unsourced content

Historical inaccuracies

A key scene, where a discouraged and angry Wood (in drag) storms off the set of Plan 9 from Outer Space, drops into a randomly chosen bar for a drink, and runs into Orson Welles, whose words of encouragement inspire Wood to go back and finish the picture, was fabricated for the purpose of the film; though Wood may have admired Welles, there exists no evidence suggesting they had ever met.

There is also no mention of Wood's son, who was born prior to when this film was set.

The content can be added back when there are sources added. --Peppage^tlk 13:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

More alleged historical inaccuracies

Another tag in question;

The scene where Bela is seen walking towards his house after Ed drops him off, he mentions how Hollywood has changed its horror films and how they aren't what they used to be back in the 1930s. He mentions movies about giant bugs (Them!), giant spiders, (Tarantula) and giant grasshoppers (Beginning of the End), however these movies came out after when the scene was supposed to be set and after the release of Glen or Glenda.[original research?]

I don't see how that's "original research." Glen or Glenda came out in 1953, and each of these movies came out afterwards. Having said that, were those truly the first kinds of movies about giant insects and the like terrorizing the public? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 18:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)