Talk:Egypt in the Middle Ages

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187 kB!! break it up into a series, like History of Germany. Jiang 13:08, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It doesn't need breaking up, just editing down to about half its current length. There must be someone here familiar with Arab/Ottoman history who can do that. Adam 13:18, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Even half is above 32kB. Why lose information? --Jiang

I will leave whoever edits it to decide. Adam

I thought I might take a stab at editing this, although perhaps I'm not the best person. I only really know about this period from the outside (from the perspective of the Byzantine Empire, the Crusades, and then Britain). Basically I've just removed a lot of apparently useless junk, but it's possible that what I think is useless may be pretty important... Adam Bishop 01:30, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I can do some work on the later Ottoman period. First I'm going to split the article into History of early Arab Egypt and History of Ottoman Egypt. The current union of the two causes more problems than it is worth. - SimonP 02:14, Nov 30, 2003 (UTC)

Should there be a History of later Arab Egypt then, as well? Adam Bishop 06:25, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

"Later Arab Egypt" is Modern Egypt Adam 07:03, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Oh yeah :) Adam Bishop 07:52, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think this text is much improved, but it still reads as though it was written in 1911 (which it was). There are far too many obscure caliphs and viziers and battles, and no social history at all. It is also full of antique nomenclature (ie Franks for Crusaders). Who on earth were the Carmathians? People from Carmathia? Actually they were an Islamic sect called the Qarmati, but the reader will never know this. This text needs rewriting to modern historiographic standards, not just a light edit. Adam 09:54, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I'm also having trouble figuring out which names to use, in cases where I am unfamiliar with the person...apparently Abu Bakr was not the right name to use for the guy who succeeded Saladin. This is besides the problem of figuring out what letters were there originally, as they have usually been mangled by scanning. Adam Bishop 21:15, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It would be nice if someone could regularize the spelling, e.g. Nureddin here vs. Nur ad-Din, and Shirguh vs. Shirkuh. Maybe more; that's just the one's I've been reading about. Right now those two have redirects to the existing articles, but it would be nice to be consistent in the text as well. (Of course, if there are good reasons for alternative spellings, they should be mentioned in the articles about the persons.) BTW, I have no illusions of knowing which forms are correct; just calling attention to a perceived problem. — B.Bryant 07:07, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It might be best to get a modern encyclopaedia and write a new article from scratch, but that would be a lot of work. Adam 00:32, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Alright, I'm done with this...I hope I haven't mangled it too badly, I discovered I didn't know as much as I thought I did :) Adam Bishop 21:41, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

name change?[edit]

Since it now incompasses all the Arab Dominion, should it not change to History of Arab Egypt?.--Dryzen 18:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? Adam Bishop 22:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
The article seems to speak of all the Arabs dynasties, yet the article name indicateds that it will only speak about Early Arab domination. If this is only the Early perdiode where is the Late?--Dryzen 15:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I actually had this same conversation above, two years ago. As Adam Carr said, "Later Arab Egypt" is Modern Egypt. This article goes up to the Ottoman period. Adam Bishop 20:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is the name of the article Arab Egypt when most of the ruling dynasties were a mix of Turkish (Tulunid), Persian-Ethiopian (Ikshidid), Tunisians (Fatimid), Kurdish-Turkish (Ayyubid), Kipchak-Turkish (Bahri Mamluks) and Circassians (Burji Mamluks)? A more proper name for the period would be Medieval Egypt. The article also states that Egypt had been nominally under Abbasid rule, whereas Fatimid Caliphate period was definitely independent and the influence of the Caliph in Bagdad was not that significant during the rule of other dynasties either. Cruist22 (talk) 18:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)