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Summary[edit]

This page is need of a summary section/table at the beginning that looks something like: Total Personnel: 333,000 Main Battle Tanks: 2,350 APC: 4,230 Artillery: 1,560 Numbers are obviously wrong but I hesitate to put this stuff on my own without a debate. Also, this should go into the general summary of all Egyptian armed forces... 89.1.213.91 22:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Roy

what does "out of .... remaining in 19.." ??? i mean what happened to the others does that mean they are sold, destroyed, or in reserve??? please any one post an answer

in the T-62 and T-55 cases it is writen that the number in service is out of a number remained in some year , what happened to the other tanks ??? were they sold?? are they used as spare parts?? but that is not sujjesable as the number not in service is much bigger than the ones in service , any one have an idea please tell me..

The answer to your question is that the number that is now in service is what is stated in the page. The number of tanks of these models were at one time, when in full strength much higher as stated. The remaining tanks are either scrapped, or used as spare parts. There are some which were refurbished and given to the Lebanese Army and I think the Sri Lankan army too, but I am not sure of the second one. The reason that the Egyptian Army did not refurbish or upgrade all its inventory of these tanks is that even after its upgrade, these tanks are of a lesser quality of comparable tanks in the opposing armed armies of the neighboring nations and there was no point of upgrading more that a limited number of these tanks until the newer tanks are either delivered or manufactured. They simply serve as interim armor till full strength of the modern ones are at hand. Orthopraxia August 09, 2007, 09:37 PM PST.

training[edit]

who the hack deleted the training part of that article and why??? the main article needs a "training" sub article operations bright star, training with the NATO, arabs, and others. all was illustrated before the "some one" delete it unexpectedly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.234.198.83 (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

History?[edit]

All this is is an introduction and list of equipment. Were is the stuff like history of engagements? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contralya (talkcontribs) 19:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Egypt is one of the Strongest UN forces[edit]

no one word talked about Egyptian forces in the UN amd The list of weapons is not full some many Egyptian weapons is not in the list like Huras nuclear planes , anupis nuclear and normal tanks , Ahmus chinok ( The egyptian edetion of The chinook planes ) with nuclear and AA rockets , where is all that ?!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahmoud-Megahid (talkcontribs) 02:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

where the heck did u get these "informations" from? One last pharaoh (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

From The Egyptian Anylasis of Weapons what been made in maadi military company 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.139.222.11 (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

yeah, right !! that is because u got these analysis from ..? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.234.199.100 (talk) 12:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

a miracle?[edit]

Most of the article is unsourced, the article is rarely reviewed, it contains lots of erroneous information; obsolete, retired and/or unavailable equipment plague the page, no "history" nor "training" sections... This article needs a miracle. Heavy Metal Moe (talk)

Do not mistake the miracle with the strong will ;) One last pharaoh (talk) 22:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

INSS[edit]

http://www.inss.org.il/upload/(FILE)1232450403.pdf Flayer (talk) 05:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Assault Rifles[edit]

Which M-16 variant does the army use? And which units use it? As far as I know, it's not the service rifle, and until now I haven't met anybody who used an M-16.    MAHMOOSH  (Talk)   • 15:06 • Saturday, 2-01-2010 —Preceding undated comment added 15:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC).

M1 tanks in Egyptian Army.[edit]

From photograpsh and video material from this year most of the M1 tanks in Egyptian Army service are still M1A1's, also non M1A2 photos in Egyptian Army service so I suggest to change informations.

Photograpsh of Egyptian tanks can be found on Military Photos site, posted by Egyptian members.

Also non export variant is upgraded to M1A2SEP standard, it is US.Army standard and designation, besides this export variants are downgraded as US goverment documents stated. Serial numbers on side turret on export tanks doesen't have U letter indicating Depleted Uranium alloy plates in armor structure.

The export tanks are upgraded eventually to standard close to M1A2SEP standard by upgrading digital components of the tank like FCS, adding FBCB2 system etc. But such tanks cannot be designated as M1A2SEP.

DamianPL (talk) 14:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

List of equipment[edit]

Why is it necessary to have an entirely redundant list of equipment in the article? There is a dedicated article for the equipment, and the only national army pages that have a list included are those without a dedicated list page. I see no reason for its inclusion here - a link to the article in the equipment section provides all the detail needed for those who actually want to see the list. Insisting on its duplication here serves no purpose. Barring sufficient reasoning beyond 'it's always been this way', it should be removed. - Jonathon A H (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I understand your concern and your reasoning,the duplicity here is not from this page, which I have greatly enhanced for the last 3-4 years or so, but Buckshot06 created the Equipment page about a year and a half ago to be comparable with other army pages that have dedicated pages for equipment. To view the army page with the equipment details in it is much easier and more comprehensive. So any partial duplicity here as you want label it is not initiated by and from this page. At any rate, it does not harm and it does not confuse anyone. There is no need to make an objection for something that has already existed for over 1 1/2 years and no one is complaining.Orthopraxia (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
But it leads to a fracture - information on both pages have to be monitored for inconsistencies and changes. It is harmful in that it's a duplication of effort, a waste of Wiki's resources, and is inconsistent with other national army pages. The link alone is sufficient if someone wants to see the detailed list of army equipment. It's just as easy for you to assist in maintaining that. Your argument appears to be entirely based on WP:OWN. So I ask again: Why is it necessary to duplicate the equipment list? Barring good reason, I move that it be removed in favour of the dedicated list. - Jonathon A H (talk) 20:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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Colonel General Rank[edit]

I don't know what is the problem with always changing this rank from Colonel General to General. It has been always an established fact that the rank of "Fariq Awal" in the Egyptian Army known as Colonel General. It is not an information that needs to be proven. It is a fact and known to all Egyptian Military who know the Englsih language from commanding officers to simple drafted soldier. It has never been known simply as General, which is an American designation for the rank. Egyptian military never adapted nor used American military terminology. I had served in the Egyptian Military in 1990-1991 in the the Military Police Headquarters (next to the famed Republican Guards H.Q.), where among others duties, I was relegated to interpretary assignments when foreign military generals were visiting and had meetings/conferences with their Egyptian counterparts at the MP HQ Conference Hall.Due to my education background, I was fluent in both the English and the French languages; where I was instructed to use the proper military ranks for each ranking general when effecting instant translation during these meetings/conferances. Additionally, I was given a booklet that had all pertaining military protocol and international military ranks to familiarize myself with it prior to providing my services. The fact that the media is refering to this rank as General, when speaking of Egyptian Generals (generic term) is not a reason to adhere to such an uneducated description of said media. I hope that this provide an ample explanation for this issue. I am correcting the naming of the rank to its accurate terminolgy. Orthopraxia (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Economy[edit]

Recent news (2003-08) talks of the importance of the Egyptian Army as an economic unit {{e.g. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/08/20138435433181894.html :: Egypt's economy ... only its well-heeled army can afford to construct bridges, offset bread shortages, raise herds of cattle and chicken, manufacture home appliances and even provide child-care. ... The Egyptian _armed forces_ ... runs scores of manufacturing and service-providing companies, through which it controls a significant stake of the nation's economy. The Ministry of Military Production manages at least 14 such companies - producing merchandise varying from tank shells and ammunition to fertilisers, sports equipment, cement, pasta and cars. }}.

Thus there should be a section here outlining the situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.174.78.76 (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Egyptian Army Structure[edit]

I created OrBat diagrams for the three Field Armies of the Egyptian Army. They can be found in this section: Egyptian Army#Structure. I noticed some possible errors: i.e. three are 3x Mechanized Battalions with the number 41st and also three Mechanized Battalions with the number 42nd. It is also unclear to me which Special Forces Regiments are Command and with Lightning (and what the difference between the two is). Furthermore the Mechanized Divisions have 2 Armoured and 4 Mechanized battalions that do not fit in the structure - so either they are wrongly listed under the Mechanized Division's Structure or some brigades have an extra battalion... but which? If anyone has some answers, please let me know on my talkpage so I can update the diagrams. noclador (talk) 05:00, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Medical "breakthrough"[edit]

I restored the Medical subsection that was removed in September 2014. The users who attempted to remove the subsection gave no reason for their edit. Those who oppose its inclusion, lets discuss. Meatsgains (talk) 21:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

I'll tell you why it is only the irony of the Egyptian army, the Egyptian army has lots and lots of achievements on medicine in Egypt, but did not mention this invention.--RabeaMalah (talk) 15:56, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

This section does not conform to the style or templates of other articles on national militaries. I would reference the Wikipedia articles on the South African and Israeli Self-defense forces, United States Army and British Army. It is, by literal definition, extraneous and has no relevance to the army's operational history or battle performance. I suggest more appropriately placed in an article on Ibrahim Abdel-Atti. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mombasa10 (talkcontribs) 14:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Added information about scope and history of Egyptian military medical facilities.Mombasa10 (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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