Talk:Emery (band)

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Chopper quit the band? Does anyone have resources stating that he did, for its not on the myspace or anywhere else.

Yes Chopper did quit the band. In a statement on the bands official website he said- "Yo dudes and dudettes! Chopper here. I'm gonna be taking off. I feel like it's time for me to move on to the next phase in my life. I don't exactly know what I'm gonna be getting into, but it'll be rad, for sure. Don't you worry your pretty little heads about me. I hope that the guys can find someone who kicks as much butt as I do to fill my shoes, but I doubt they will. J/K! Haha... Actually, I'm serious... But anyhooooo. You guys stay cool. Remain the raddest fans on the planet, and support these wierdos, and maybe I'll see ya around. Keep on truckin'!" I haven't heard much about the reasons he quit. www.emerymusic.com

Christian Rock[edit]

On the disambiguation page, it's claimed the band is Christian Emo/Screamo band - however nothing in the article reflects the Christian aspect - anyone want to add something to justify this?

^There is no need for justification.

I would say Emery is about 50% christian and 50% non christian band there togther.

Ok, I will clear this up. Emery does have some Christian elements in their songs, as I have both of their CD's, but, the main reason Emery gets put in the Christian genre is because of their label. Emery is signed to Tooth and Nail.. which states on their website- "Tooth & Nail Records, an independent label headquartered in Seattle, Washington, was founded in 1993 as a means to give independent artists a forum to creatively express positivity through music." Tooth and Nail has also had many definite Christian bands, so, Tooth and Nail is basically a Christian based label, and any band signed to them is often put into the Christian genre. Im not saying Emery isn't a Christian band though, they're lyrics definitely reflect Christian aspest... they can be viewed at... [link to copyvio website removed]

they are definately christian, their first concert they played in south carolina was at Ground Zero in Spartanburg. I attended the show and they thanked god after they played. their music may not be in specific christian, but the bands members seem to be, and really if they are signed to tooth & nail they are put in that genre so whats wrong with them being labeled such?

Emery is 100% a christian band, I even asked Toby, lead singer, on Oct. 4, 2006 at the Electric Factory in Philly. He said they were all christians and that they were a christian band. He even preached to us!

Hmm, sounds like a good discussion. Emery is signed to a christian label (more or less) but to say Emery is or isn't christian may be difficult. We don't know if they are saved truly for only God can look at the heart, so we can only go by actions. I would probably call them roaring lambs- christian people but a secular band. But either way, they are safe to listen to and most likely are christian. But the sad truth is many "christian bands" somtimes use that to get somewhere. Or they say their christian bands but nobody knows it. To me, if you're christian, you should want people to know that you are and therefore it would be evident. However, I will not judge someone for the lack of their representation. So that is that. - JOE COWAN All of the members in Emery are Christian, but the band is reluctant to be labelled a Christian rock band. Although the band has a Christian outlook and mission, their concern is that being labeled as "Christian" will hinder their ability to reach their audience. In an interview with now defunct HardcoreChristian.com, Devin Shelton stated, I know for a while it was a big fad to like have a lot of Christian bands were just Christian guys in a band so I mean first and foremost we’re Christians above anything else ... obviously ... the band is going to come and go and it will be over one day and that’s just the way it goes. It’s just like any other occupation. We are Christians first and foremost and therefore it has to impact what we do everyday as our job and in our lives so I mean… everyday we’ve got tons of Christian fans that their like, "Hey you guys are the best Christian band blah blah blah or one of the best or whatever," and that is fine, but we gave up on trying to draw that line because it’s pretty much you have to get out of the stigma of being labeled a Christian band where non-Christian people will listen to you because if you play in only Christian venues or you play with all Christian bands all the time you’re kind of shooting yourself in the foot for as far as having a career goes and even as ministry speaking ... ... I mean there is a place for that. There are bands out there like worship bands and stuff that are great at that and I think they are called to do that but we definitely are not called to do that. We tried it, we played in churches before and we have played with a lot of Christian bands several times and we felt really really out of place, we kind of felt like, it was almost like God was saying this isn’t what you guys are supposed to be doing. Not that it was anything bad or anything like that but we just didn’t have that spirit of fulfillment that we feel like we do have now because we relate so much better to people, to crowds like this than we do youth group crowds.[2] I found this here and they Say it themselves. JOE COWAN

I agree in some sense. I think what Emery is trying to say is they are a Christian band, but not the same type of Christian band as say... Kutless or Falling Up. They don't want to be distributed only to the Christian market. It's kinda like shooting themselves in the foot. To get their point across (be it to convert, mend problems, help out, etc), distributing to only the Christian market wouldn't get their point across. It would be like trying to go to a Democratic convention and trying to find all the conservatives... Or like going to the desert to find water. It would just be hard. IronCrow 04:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Post-Hardcore[edit]

Wasn´t emery emo-screamo? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.155.177.119 (talk) 23:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

No. Emery is post-hardcore. -- FatalError (t|c) 05:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Most definetely post-hardcore. Not at all emo. Saksjn (talk) 13:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
AP magazine calls them screamo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.218.146 (talk) 20:52, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

They can be more than one genre.96.60.39.6 (talk) 04:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

New songs.[edit]

Hey peoples. Im not sure how to use wikipedia, but on thursday, 7 june 2007 at the Arena in Brisbane, Emery played 3 new songs from their upcoming album. Two of these were titled as followed: "The party song" and "Rock And Roll".

"Jimmy Eat World split"[edit]

Since the split was released 6 years before this Emery formed, I think that it's referring to a different band. Thus, I am going to remove the connection between the split and Emery... 69.14.58.26 (talk) 01:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Formation and Early Years (2000 – 2001)[edit]

Most of the members are from the bands Sachul, Joe 747, Simply Waynes and Oogie Brown.

This sentence seems out of place and grammatically incorrect. While I'm not questioning the validity of the facts, it seems as if the sentence implies that the majority of the members were also members of the other bands, while this may be true, my suspicion is that individual members of Emery were also members of these bands, but not together.Tuxhedoh (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it's confusing. I added a citation request to the article. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"All Christians"??[edit]

Can we have a discussion about the constant addition and removal of the line "All the members are christians"? It's getting a little bit ridiculous.

It is my opinion that if they are considered "Christian-rock", that could be included in the lead of this article. However, having a line about their religious views seems out of place. If you go check out the Beatles page, you won't find "One is atheist, one is hindu...". Maybe there is a place for a section about their religious views and how it affects their music, but it's not in the lead. Davelecave (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

We could, but I don't think it's necessary. Not all Christian bands are made entirely of Christian musicians. Emery in particular is in a field where the bands contain a mix of Christian and non-Christian members. In the case of this band, someone keeps deleting the Christian adjective from the band's description and I believe this was a compromise. It doesn't matter to me which way it's identified as long as it's mentioned in the lede. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

-Really? You need the band's religion mentioned in the lead (which you can't spell) even "regardless of what the band think"? Are you crazy? Let me say I'm a devoted Christian but I'm really turned off by people smearing the label places where it isn't needed! Especially a band like this where there isn't a single explicit reference to religion in any of their four records. Also "Christian" is not a genre of music, unless you're talking about the contemporary pop praise music with very clear religious references. Between their lack of any religious references, and the numerous times the band has steered clear from being titled "christian", it's unfair to say they represent christian rock! On what basis?! Tooth and Nail records has also stated on numerous occations that they aren't a "christian" label, at least not entirely, and they don't want the misconception. Notably though many bands associated with tooth and nail and emery do take on a more religious image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.235.222 (talk) 03:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Insulting my spelling, which is correct, it's just not American, has not won you any intelligence points. And if you're going to throw stones at the spelling of others, you might want to run your writing through a spell-checker first. Your argument is similarly not-well thought-out. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
You might also want to read the discussion above: "Christian Rock". --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

-You can't just state that an argument is "not-well thought-out" without giving any reasons. Or for that matter claim there are spelling errors without pointing any out. (But in your defense I do see one) Anyway, spelling isn't as important as content. Your latest post had as much relevance to the subject at hand as saying "well you're just dumb" as a retaliation to an insult. The above discussion doesn't help your point. If anything it helps mine as Devin talks about the stigma of being labeled "a Christian band," although Emery as members are Christians. In that light it would be more accurate if the lead said "all the members are Christians" than if it had Christian as an adjective describing what type of band they are. I think a band that feels the label is a "stigma" would think that it is sufficient to have their religious views mentioned later in the article, but it seems, for whatever reason you're bound and determined to have it front and center. I feel this is a misrepresentation of how the article should be setup but I'm honestly done with discussing it. I don't really know how things are moderated around here but I'm confident that it will be straitened out in the end by someone who can assess the situation correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.171.235.222 (talk) 01:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The discussion above does prove my point. They are Christians who don't want to be labelled a Christian band. So either we restore the original wording: all Christians or we leave the Christian adjective in there and either link it to the genre or the faith. Doesn't matter to me. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
The change you made is fine, but not technically correct. There is no citation for it in the main body below. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Christian people but not Christian band[edit]

I still feel that this needs to be removed unless someone can offer a source for this stance. Not because of any feelings before or against religion, but because there's no WP:RS, that's all. If a source isn't found soon I'm going to take it off, and then it can be added back in if a ref is given, per WP:BURDEN. Sergecross73 msg me 16:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

indefinite hiatus[edit]

"Hey everyone, Devin here. I just wanted to let you all know that I am taking an indefinite hiatus from Emery. This has been a very tough decision for me, since Emery has been an important part of my life for over a decade. I'm not saying I will never do anything else with Emery, but things change and life goes on, no matter how much I will miss it. Thanks so much for all your support over the years and I hope everyone continues to follow Emery all the same"


Josh, Dave, Matt, and Toby would like to thank Devin for being one of the greatest guys we have ever met. He is and always will be one of our best friends. That will never change. We miss him already. Also, we definitely hope to work with Devin again in the future so keep your eyes open. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.248.190 (talk) 00:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

What is this supposed to be...? Sergecross73 msg me 00:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, it's directly from their facebook. Sergecross73 msg me 00:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Metalcore?[edit]

Not exactly sourceable right now, but they do seem to be developing a fondness for breakdowns as of late (most noticeably on "The Cheval Glass"), and their recent signing to Solid State Records indicates that they may be heading in a more metal direction. No need to add it in the article just yet, but let's keep an eye out in case a reliable source pops up with that description.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 05:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree. But if a source DOES show up though, I would suggest including metalcore in the infobox genres on the page for We Do What We Want, and not the page for Emery. SOO many people would complain and keep removing it if you added metalcore to the infobox genres there.

Although they do seem to be going in that direction, I would just add it to the wiki page for their newest album, because it IS clear that that specific album reflects metalcore, but it is hard to say if the band from now on out will reflect metalcore. ♫ Chris-B-Koolio ♫ ... (Talk) 16:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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