Talk:Esther Rantzen

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Alice Beer scandal[edit]

Should we mention the Alice Beer scandal?

I know Alice was a sec/asst on "That's Life!" but I don't know the dirt. Please enlighten us. El Ingles 20:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

As Wikipedia is neither a blog or forum, it's not really appropriate to use the discussion pages or the main article for "enlightening" others about scandals - see the box above if you're not sure. Escaper7 12:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Nonsense, Escaper. I'm an editor of the article, interested in new information. I can't tell if "the Alice Beer scandal" is sourced or not until I know what it is. There's no entry for Alice in the index to the autobiography so its sourcing is prima facie dodgy, but neither you nor I can know the extent of the anonymous informant's citations. El Ingles 13:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)yo dude!
I just think there's a lot more to say about Esther's career - the article as it stands is very short, there's no picture, little mention of ChildLine etc, and since both she and Alice Beer are still alive I can't really see the relevance of it in a biog. I'm not sure what the above unsigned contributor is referring to, and there's no username. The fact that the biog boilerplate is now in place might entice other editors to contribute. Whatever the scandal was, it hasn't exactly led to some massive change in television journalism. Her contribution to ChildLine, has however drawn a lot of attention to an extremely worthy cause. I'm sorry if you feel my opinion (above) is nonsense. Escaper7 14:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Alice Beer was once a member of the That's Life! team although she never worked directly for Esther Rantzen. No scandal has been attached to her name either during that time, or later when she became a tv reporter. Marjorie morningstar (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Addition by 89.168.46.4 on 23 nov 06 (Hitler/Saddam)[edit]

I've deleted this. In my opinion it's an example of recentism and it's not encyclopedic enough to warrant a whole paragraph in this short article. El Ingles 22:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree on the basis that the woman is clearly a cunt.--80.43.18.169 23:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I think she's a cunt too. What are you going to do about that? Have a fight? Come on then fuckwits, come on, Im waiting.

It's wiki, not a popularity show. RedHillian 03:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

RedHillier, Isn't there a wikipedia policy on personal attacks? Or doesn't that apply to a talk page. Elizabeth First (talk) 18:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

1) It's RedHillian. 2)There's WP:BLP, which is relates to content (not specifically talk pages), and WP:CIVIL which relates to being civil to each other. What User:80.43.18.169 put in back in 2006 wasn't civil or appropriate, but it didn't get a hearing on the main page for that reason. The comments are kept as they are on talk pages as a record of what was said, and by whom. --RedHillian (talk) 21:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The abusive language does not in itself signify that there is a dispute as to the accuracy of the Wikipedia entry, only that there are some people who disagree with the views of Esther Rantzen. Does Wikipedia encourage the use of such language? If so, why? Marjorie morningstar (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Content / NPOV[edit]

A large part of the article seems to be saying that Rancid/Child Line is wonderful and beyond all criticism. Seeing that the chief source is the woman's autobiography, I think that what we have here is hagiography of the worst kind. 80.1.88.39 (talk) 10:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

If you can find some content that's more neutral, and verifiable and complies with the policy on biographies of living people, then be bold and add it in - I won't be objecting if it's all legitimate. --RedHillian (talk) 13:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Neither will I, as another editor of thispage. --El Ingles (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Scandal[edit]

I don't get this whole "scandal" thing. I've a mind to rewrite the whole "scandal" thing to preserve the facts but remove this word "scandal". One sentence I read in the article seems to suggest that being arrested for being a bit naughty in the street is a "scandal". Show me something Esther Rantzen couldn't write off with a shrug, a toothy grin, and a "That's Life", and possibly we might have the makings of the germ of something that might one day be described by particularly impressionable people as a scandal. --82.18.14.143 (talk) 20:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

How about screwing her head of department who was married to her best friend? How about being ostracised by the majority of her colleagues as a consequence of that? How about getting accidentally pregnant? How about a rather public miscarriage? I see no shrug, no toothy grin to mitigate those events. Her autobiography is clear that they made her miserable and frantic. If the epithet "scandal" can't be applied to that, what can it be applied to? --El Ingles (talk) 21:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Is this what Wikipedia regard as a debate? None of the facts is in dispute, it seems only to be a matter of interpretation which is up to any reader to agree with, or disagree with. A pointless discussion. Marjorie morningstar (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I quite agree, anonymous, that "...being arrested for being a bit naughty in the street" does not really fit here at all. But, in 1960s and even 1970s Britain, Rahtzen's affair with her boss certainly did constitute a scandal for the, still wholly conservative, BBC. What you say, StuHarris, also seems fair. But a re-write of this section would certainly not go amiss, toothy grin or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

"Fell"?[edit]

Patsy Wilcox always refused to divorce her husband, but was forced to agree when Rantzen fell pregnant. I've often wondered about the origins of babies, but i never realised it had anything to do with falling. Does this strike anyone else as a curious turn of phrase? Cheers, LindsayHi 19:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


'Falling pregnant' is a common turn of phrase. Kunchan (talk) 19:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

"Bat Stew"?[edit]

"bat stew"? I've no idea where it came from but I assume it's vandalism. JohnHarris (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

There is no scandal involving the lovely Alice Beer. Nor was Patsy "forced" to allow Rantzen and Wilcox to marry. The Bat Stew was obtained from Fortnum and Mason's and all details in this entry are verifiable from Rantzen's autobiography which is certainly not a "hagiography". ( Astrideahorse). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrideahorse (talkcontribs) 03:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute?[edit]

At the top of this article it states: "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (December 2014)" May I ask who disputes the neutrality of this article and why? --Maarten1963 (talk) 17:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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