Talk:Evil

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Adolf Hitler[edit]

Why is Adolf Hitler "evil"? The definition of evilness given in the text is:
"conscious and deliberate wrongdoing, discrimination designed to harm others, humiliation of people designed to diminish their psychological needs and dignity, destructiveness, and acts of unnecessary and/or indiscriminate violence that are not legitimate acts of self-defense but aggressive and designed to cause ill-being to others."
I don't think Hitler was a conscious and deliberate wrongdoer. I am not talking about personal opinions right now (although there still is a significant number of people who follow his ideals), but I think that Hitler really believed in most of his ideas. That doesn't make him a conscious wrongdoer, that just makes him a mass killer (in fact, he most likely didn't kill a single person with his own hand, but that's a different discussion). I think the picture should be removed from this page. He might be widely believed to be an evil person, but if the claims aren't relevant with the definition of evilness, those claims shouldn't be promoted in this page. FeyBart (talk) 16:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

He may or may not fit the first phrase in the definition, he certainly fits all the others. Rick Norwood (talk) 13:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
But according to the National-Socialist ideology, discrimination is not evil. So why claim Hitler to be evil? FeyBart (talk) 20:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I've changed the caption to just say many people use Hitler as an example of evil. Rick Norwood (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, this should be better. Thanks. FeyBart (talk) 13:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Which version of Hitler are we talking about? The mainstream, Hollywood version of Adolf Hitler is certainly evil. The actual Hitler though was far from it. 184.96.242.187 (talk) 17:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Nazist, javisst!--Hesus2 (talk) 07:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
The one used in the text. The real one. FeyBart (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Provide a reliable source that he's "evil". 184.96.242.187 (talk) 22:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the late respond, but that was the fact which I was questioning. The text has already been adjusted to make it more neutral. I think this should be good, even though I would like to have the whole picture gone to keep the Neo-Nazis and anti-Semitics under us happy too. This should be good enough IMO.
Whoops! Forgot to sign. FeyBart (talk) 15:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The jews suffered too much.. ok, never mind, but the africans suffered much more from evilness, I added an illustration of this, if anyone deletes it, or think about deleting it, he's utterly EVIL! --22:28, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Please don't use this article to make a point[edit]

We're not supposed to use edits to do that. You made as WP:BOLD edit and it was reverted - that's fine. You take it to talk at that point. What you don't do is start making other edits to try and prove a point. Simonm223 (talk) 23:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Whites are evil?[edit]

I'll assume good faith but a caption that boils down to "whites are evil" isn't going to fly.

User:Dzlinker: 22:24, 11 January 2014: [1].

User:Dzlinker: 23:01, 10 February 2014: [2].

User:Simonm223: 22:53, 21 February 2014: [3].


-- Tobby72 (talk) 00:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

All I did was revert the page to the last stable version. Because with this article it's probably always a good idea to build consensus in talk first. However I'll point out that the reference to the Atlantic Slave Trade doesn't mention the skin colour of the people involved (you know, since it involved people of all kinds of skin colours and both Christians and Muslims) and while the British colonists who kicked off the Australian genocide are generally pretty pale it was in that case more a specific nationality attacking another. Whereas you were trying to single out a single religion for their participation in a massive (yes, evil) venture that probably touched on a heckuvalotta people who weren't the same faith as them.
And that's getting into WP:NPOV territory, not to mention WP:DUE so I'd advise against. Now if it turns out that the general consensus disagrees with me I'm not going to go to the walls over it. However I just think it's not the most appropriate edit for this article. Simonm223 (talk) 00:20, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
There is no strong consensus regarding images, see [4]. -- Tobby72 (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
The rationale provided by user:72.228.189.184 seems sound. I'm sometimes a bit of a wiki ogre and I recently came active again - may have missed an intervening debate, and I do agree that this article should not be used for any political axe grinding. Simonm223 (talk) 03:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Sikhism Addition[edit]

Hello. I am planning on adding some new information under the "religion" section on Sikhism for an ethics class at my university. I plan on adding it after Hinduism and focusing on knowledge gleaned from the Guru Granth Sahib, a sacred text to the Sikhs - with special attention to the five major evils: lust, rage, greed, emotional attachment, and ego. These are also known as the "five thieves", and have their own Wikipedia entry. With respect to this, I will add links within my proposed texts which will take the reader there for more detailed understanding.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wahey24 (talkcontribs) 01:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Citations for religions / philosophical views.[edit]

A lot of the religious and philosophical definitions lack citations. They're really needed, since interpreting the nature of evil is a controversial topic; more specifically, since we're paraphrasing them and presenting an interpretation of what they say, we need high-quality secondary sources backing that interpretation (that is, it's not enough to source it solely to to the text itself in this case, because interpretations on what a philosopher or a religion says about evil tend to be complicated, varied, and controversial.) --Aquillion (talk) 04:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)