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Hedwig[edit]

The part about the Hedwig play and film is interesting, but actually not at all relevant for this article. Because these "Hedwig" productions contain a song that is called "exquisite corpse" and there is a symbolic reference to the method by one of the characters in the play/movie does not validate a mention here. There are a lot of references to exquisite corpse in (popular) culture. This article should only be about productions that were made using the actual method. Remcovlaanderen (talk) 09:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible link?[edit]

http://read.gov/exquisite-corpse/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.147.236.194 (talk) 15:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good... done!
Peace and Passion   ("I'm listening....") 17:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Following a rule?[edit]

The first paragraph says that one form of exquisite corpse involves participants contributing via following a rule, without the restriction of not seeing what has come before, but nothing in the article backs that up or provides historical examples. I've also never heard the phrase used that way. Can anyone back this up, or should it be removed? Personman (talk) 20:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Links[edit]

I changed the tag at the end of the Ecorpse link to "Defunct", because they aren't doing anything new anymore, but I kept the link in because you can still browse the archive of corpses. I also removed the thing about requiring a subscription for AnExquisiteCorpse, because quite simply it isn't true; all you need is an account (which is free). -Branddobbe 08:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bit copied from wiki[edit]

The last two sentences were copied from the French wikipedia, and probably translated by an automated translator. This is the original text copied from the French wiki at [1]:

"En 2005 à Montréal, proposée par Adrien Lorion,David Étienne et Michel Laroche, un groupe d'une dizaine de cinéastes et auteur-compositeur-interprètes professionnels marquent une véritable évolution artistique en fusionnant l'art du cinéma et l'écriture de la chanson. À titre d'exemple, l'artiste de la chanson et le cinéaste produisant le troisième clip sur les neufs, ne connaîssent que le texte des quatre dernières mesures de la chanson et la dernière scène du deuxième clip et ainsi de suite. Ce qui a pour effet de produire une histoire qui évolue parfois de façon surprenante, parfois de façon radicale et parfois de façon amusante."

A native should translate it.

(But they should only look at the first word of each sentence as they do it. Mikething (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Being edited[edit]

As a native, I guess I have to work on it ;)

Translation[edit]

"En 2005 à Montréal, proposée par Adrien Lorion,David Étienne et Michel Laroche, un groupe d'une dizaine de cinéastes et auteur-compositeur-interprètes professionnels marquent une véritable évolution artistique en fusionnant l'art du cinéma et l'écriture de la chanson. À titre d'exemple, l'artiste de la chanson et le cinéaste produisant le troisième clip sur les neufs, ne connaîssent que le texte des quatre dernières mesures de la chanson et la dernière scène du deuxième clip et ainsi de suite. Ce qui a pour effet de produire une histoire qui évolue parfois de façon surprenante, parfois de façon radicale et parfois de façon amusante."

"In 2005, Montréal's artists Adrien Lorion, Davis Étienne & Michel Laroche proposed a fusion between movie-maker & song writer/composer/signer, with the objection of making a new evolution into creation. In exemple, the song writer & the movie maker would produce the 3rd clip of 9, without knowing the last 4 measure of the song and the last scene of the 2nd clip and so on... Sometimes, this technique creates a story that evolve suprisingly, sometimes radically and, some other times, simply funny."

That would need some cleanup, but the translation is done... Vlimar 14:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to smooth the translation a bit[edit]

"In 2005, a group of movie-makers and song writer/composer/interpreters, inspired by Montreal artists Adrien Lorion, Davis Étienne, and Michel Laroche, fused the arts of film and song-writing into a new style of media. For example, the song writer and the movie maker produced the third clip of nine (?), only knowing the previous four measures of the song and the last scene of the second clip and so on. This technique creates a story that evolves somtimes suprisingly, sometimes radically and, other times, becomes quite funny."

I'm not sure if "clip" is supposed to have any special meaing here or just refer to a simple movie clip; also I don't know what the "nine" refers to here (however, "neuf" in French can also mean "new" which might make more sense, particularly as it's plural). Maybe someone whose French idiom is better than mine can check it... Quaxanta 01:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

This article cites sources only for what amount to a couple of trivia facts. Imporant assertions (e.g. that Exquisite Corpse developed from Consequences, and how it did so) are unreferenced. Not tagging the section yet because the sections themselves need a lot of organizing. --Stellmach 15:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this helpful?
From "Surrealist Games" by Alastair Brotchie, Redstone Press 1991

"THE EXQUISITE CORPSE The Surrealists first played this game, derived from the French parlour game petits papiers, similar to the English game of 'Consequences', around 1925. Breton's first wife, Simone Collinet, described (in LE CADAVRE EXQUIS, SON EXALTATION, Galleria Schwarz, Milan, 1968) how they chanced upon it"

and

"Both Tristan Tzara (op. cit.) [Le Cadavre...] and Georges Hugnet (in PETITE ANTHOLOGIE POETIQUE DU SURRÉALISME, Butcher, 1934) give the procedure for this game.

"The method could be adapted more directly for poetry. While travelling to Avignon, Eluard, Breton and René Char used it to compose a book of poems RALENTIR TRAVAUX (SLOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION) in 1930

"The Belgrade Surrealists played a longer variant in which each player did the same and so on."

"Surrealist Games" also quotes some example games from "La Révolution surréaliste", no 9/10, 1927 and "Le Surréalisme Au Service De La Révolution", no. 4, 1931
I don't have any of the referenced materials, except the six paras of "Le Cadavre..." (Collinet's description of the game's conception) quoted (in English) in "Surrealist Games", nor do I speak any French.
81.178.78.154 07:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bauhaus[edit]

It may be worth mentioning a little more about the technique when used in music, by mentioning Bauhaus. I have added a note on the disambig page about their song "Exquisite Corpse", and there is at least one other of their songs which was written in the same way. J Milburn 10:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Example required[edit]

The article as it stands today does not clearly communicate the concept. I'm not even sure that I understand the article. I think an example or two would be helpful.94.193.93.109 (talk) 01:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a photo of an example, but it's only between two contributors (i think a drawing with more contributors would be ideal, but any photo is better than nothing here - this article requires a visual aid!) Air (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is WAY too long[edit]

Also - how about a picture of an actual exquisite corpse drawing. Yes, I know - "If you don't like it, edit it yourself." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.165.104.177 (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

actually there was one; for some reason someone took it down... And while many might see it as a silly game, there are exquisite corpses hung up in museums. I suppose what I am trying to say is there EXIST model examples, recognized in the art world, of exquisite corpses out there that we could try to find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammy1339 (talkcontribs) 10:29, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary examples[edit]

I think that having two contemporary examples of exquisite corpses by "Marc M. Gustà, Bernat M. Gustà, Irene Alcón" seems completely unnecessary and looks a bit suspect (as in, they may have put them there themselves to promote their work, which is NOT the purpose of wikipedia). Also, they are clearly NOT exquisite corpses, in that they are all too homogeneous. The idea of the exquisite corpse is to subvert wholeness and homogeneity, by breaking down the narrative of creation that results in the final work. These two examples go HEAD + TORSO + LOWER LIMBS in a way that is all too formulaic and cohesive. These two images should probably be deleted and more culturally relevant (or canonical) ones should be put in their stead. 81.100.164.18 (talk) 10:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just came to the talk page to complain about the exact same thing; they're poor examples that don't illustrate the subject accurately in multiple respects and also struck me as having been possibly placed here self-promotionally. So I'mma go ahead and blank this junk since no better candidates have appeared. 194.219.29.149 (talk) 16:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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External Links[edit]

Could we add a section that would allow users to see/access active online communities that create exquisite corpses? I know a few links:

http://www.corpsify.com/ - 3 frame corpses that allow for 'doodlers' (9 colors ) and artists (full color), entries require an approval process http://exquisitechat.org : 5 frame black and white corpses, also has an infinite scroll corpse-style visual chat. canv.as Monster Mash - 2 framed corpses, all types of media avalable, multiple threads. (very active site created by 4chan's moot) http://www.x-corpse.com/ - Ipad exquisite corpse app. https://www.monsterland.net - 3 frame corpses with no registration required — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbycoz (talkcontribs) 16:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there's a lot more - I think it would give the curious observer some hands on experience and/or contemporary examples.

98.253.217.101 (talk) 03:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia is not a web directory or link repository. External links should have content that elaborates on the subject. Mindmatrix 21:57, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invention[edit]

Is this really novel enough to warrant the term “invention”? So Surrealists played Conseqences/ Petit Papier - but they don’t appear to have actually added anything to it, so “so what”? The parlour game existed, and they used it as a technique - that might warrant a section in an article on the game, or a paragraph under Surrealism, but doesn’t seem to warrant an article on its own. Jock123 (talk) 07:30, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge with Picture consequences[edit]

Both articles are primarily concerned with the same game of drawing a picture sequentially on folded paper. McGeddon (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed and  Done Klbrain (talk) 17:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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