Talk:Feminization (activity)

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i changed the phrase "descriptive statistics" to simply "statistics". It should be noted that there is no reference after this sentence either, so it is an empty claim at the moment.

descriptive statistics refers specifically to the mean, range, variance, and so on. it doesnt mean that it is proven statistically. In that case you would need to say something like "blah blah blah was shown to be statistically significant."

:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

homosexuality suggestion[edit]

In this article, would it correct to associate "forced homosexuality" with Situational homosexuality?--Kencaesi (talk) 22:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd say so, yes. --Rebroad (talk) 06:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Transgenderism? Really?[edit]

Given that this article is about feminization as a sexual fetish or sexual practice, transgenderism does not belong here. La Maupin (talk) 09:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC) Yes it does, these are almost all men with transvesic fetishism and autogynephilia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

"slut," "whore"...[edit]

as exclusively female terms? (4th paragraph) I think not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Feminization is being confused with femdom in article[edit]

I am here only to prompt further investigation regarding the article 'Feminization' without editing it. Due to the oft-distorted nature of this subject, editing the article will take some serious work and some particularly difficult citation-building on order to lay an academic foundation for what is actually common knowledge within some overlapping but variant gender and sexual communities. A proper edit could require scores of hours in this academic regard.

The article as it appears at this moment (23 June 2014), is totally bogus and mostly erroneous in its focus. Following are my suggestions if someone else wishes to edit it:

Feminzation is an experience, activity and lifestyle that can be experienced by virtually any female or male or transgendered person through any number of different deliberate or subjective processes such as genetic factors, chemical factors (eg environmental or dietary estrogens), upbringing, self-interest in feminization and through other ways.

The most glaring fallacy of the article is that it defines feminization primarily within common themes of BDSM, including fetish, punishment and generally with themes borrowed from dominance and femdom, that are entirely different topics. The article as titled suggests that it is about feminization of males as an activity and yes, it is an activity but also more. The article begins by stating that this feminization (activity) occurs "especially in female dominance, of switching the gender role of a male submissive". But this claim is utter rubbish because of the word "especially" and because it tends to define feminization as an act of submissiveness. Submissiveness, in BDSM or not, is a sometimes overlapping topic but usually NOT related to most instances of feminization.

In my observation over a lifetime, most of the males and male-to-female TG persons who engage in feminization as a solo or peer activity do so with none of those BDSM themes or objectives in mind. Their feminization activity is about one inherent and distinct objective: to become more feminine.

TG male-to-female feminization incorporates a broad array of subtopics beside the tiny BDSM aspect. Take for instance Wicca and male worship of goddess deities or males who believe in a feminine supreme eternal Goddess. Also take for example ladyboy culture in the orient having an extreme feminization component but having almost no BDSM aspect whatsoever. The BDSM kind of feminization covered in the current article should be no more than a tiny mention in a much larger and more genuine context of feminization.

Keep in mind that many if not most male-to-female persons seeking or experiencing feminization find the entire BDSM thematic exploitation of feminization as personally repugnant. Yes, BDSM feminization is sometimes respectful of genuine transgender feminization and sometimes respectful of feminization as a fetish and can be a legitimate fetish activity, but the whole thing of dominance and submissiveness is not an inherent part of the larger feminization activity, much less the reverse. To put it another way, typical forced feminization (the actual topic covered by the erroneous writer) is to feminization as Trabant is to automobiles.

Furthermore, the BDSM-typified version of feminization, although practiced freely in clubs and social groups often without inherent exploitation, is nonetheless in many instances a commercially exploitative phenomenon that often preys upon the psychological needs of gender-variant males experiencing gender dysphoria. To suggest that MTF persons seeking feminization need to see a dominatrix with a whip or need to be force-feminized is a widespread ignorant cultural smear. On any given night I encounter at least one to five TG persons at the supermarket who have no interest in those BDSM activities although a few do.

The article is an utter shambles and a disgrace to both academic and cultural truth. In its entire length, it does not stray from the BDSM context of feminization, which is furthermore itself not even a holistic representation of feminization within BDSM community, although the article is true only to common BDSM sterotypes. The article is so warped and misleading that it should be removed and wholly rewritten from scratch. (talk) 09:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

This article should be merged with a different article and/or deleted[edit]

I'm coming to this article via the Feminization disambiguation page link, which I recently clicked on because of a discussion. And seeing this article, I don't see why it's a standalone article. It should be merged with a different article, but only if ever WP:Reliably sourced. Otherwise, it should be deleted. Flyer22 (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge from Pinafore eroticism[edit]

We should now take the opportunity to merge Pinafore eroticism into this article, thus eliminating a redundant hyper-specialized article which covers a narrow topic that can be dealt with in no more than a paragraph in this article. -- The Anome (talk) 13:21, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Oppose: I think that it's important to separate voluntary and passive behavior (Feminization (activity) as a BDSM practice) from involuntary socially unacceptable activity, as described on the Pinafore eroticism page. Klbrain (talk) 06:58, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Femdom / Heterosexual relationship theme of article[edit]

This article is good, but biased. Sissification and Feminization are certainly that something that is common in femdom. Additionally, perhaps many people have become familiar with these themes from femdom. However, to say that this is strictly a femdom fetish is disingenuous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:23, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Photo of "A feminized male in feminine office wear"[edit]

I don't think that's office wear... (talk) 05:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)