Talk:Ferdinand von Wrangel

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The Wrangel noble family is of (Baltic) German origin and they first arrived in medieval Livonia during the Northern Crusades in the early 1200s. Their earliest known ancestor was one Henricus de Wrangele who, as of 1277, was a vassal to the Bishop of Riga. One of the several branches of the Wrangel family was later (in 1770s) immatriculated in Sweden. Notably, by then Sweden had already lost possession of its Baltic provinces, and Ferdinand von Wrangel was not a member of this Swedish branch of the family. He was born a Baltic German, and into the original Baltic German Wrangel noble family (not into the Swedish branch). Cheers, --3 Löwi 16:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


One source, The Swedish House of Knights (Riddarhuset, the corporation of the Swedish nobility) mentions on its website:

http://www.riddarhuset.se/jsp/index.jsp?id=553&state=2&postId=588

ätten Wrangel

Ingress Tysk-baltisk adelsätt, som sannolikt inkommit till Livland med Svärdsriddarorden eller Tyska Orden och som utgrenats till Sverige, Ryssland, Tyskland, Österrike och Nederländerna. Tidigast kände företrädare för ätten är riddaren Henricus de Wrangele, som 1277 var vasall under biskopen av Riga. Kungl danska rådet Thidericus (Tile) Wrangele (känd 1342) är stamfader för i Sverige levande och utslocknade ätter av den stora släkten. Adliga ätten Wrangel, nr 2092, naturaliserades 1772 13/9 med kaptenen, sedermera majoren Johan Gustaf Wrangel (1723–1787) och tre bröder till denne. Introduktionen skedde 1776 9/6.

President of RAC or Governor of RA?[edit]

This line bothers me:

He held the post of the chief administrator of the Russian settlements in North America in 1829-1835. Wrangel was the president of the Russian-American Company in 1840-1849.

He is well-known in Pacific Northwest history as Governor of Russian America, which implicitly is also the most senior managerial position of the Russian American Company in that region; "chief administrator of settlements" sseems to be a lower-rank title but I suspect that's the Governor position, as he was relieved of his duties in teh wake of the confrontation with the HBC over the latter's attempt to sail up the Stikine in 1834, which he resisted and turned back, causing the RAC to have to pay an indemnity/damages to the HBC and which led to the Russian-American Convention of 1837 (1838?); sounds like he wa "kicked upstairs" and if so, "President" was a job back in Moscow or wherever, i.e. in the company's head office, not hte field office in Sitka. I'm just asking/speculating...when did Furuhjelm take over again?Skookum1 (talk) 04:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)