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Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed: I propose adding the below text in quotes to the education section of the page:

"Florida ranked 26th in the nation for educational performance, according to Education Week’s Quality Counts 2018 report. It earned an overall score of 74.2 out of 100 points and a grade of C. By comparison, the nation received a score of 75.2 or a C.

Florida posted a C in the Chance-for-Success category, ranking 35th on factors that contribute to a person’s success both within and outside the K-12 education system. Florida received a mark of D-plus and finished 39th for School Finance. It ranked fourth with a grade of C-plus on the K-12 Achievement Index."

Explanation of issue: I believe this text would enhance the page, adding information on the quality of the state's K-12 education which is not currently available on the page. I'm asking your consideration because I work for Education Week. I apologize if I've misformatted this or left out information you need to make a decision - I'm rather new at this.

References supporting change: this is the source I'd cite: Csmithepe (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Csmithepe

 Not done: Please provide a source unrelated to Education Week for this claim.  Spintendo  20:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

References

Someone deleted the map in the ancestry section

Predominant ancestry in Florida in 2010

should be re-added. It was deleted and under the edit summary it was stated that "prose test suffices" which is highly subjective, but also, comparable maps are present on pages for other states and in some cases regions. Should be re-added.Mapsandfactsarefun (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I do not see a need to add that map back in. Showing that in a few counties the most common ancestry is Italian, while in a few others the most common ancestry is German, tells us nothing about the culture of those counties. - Donald Albury 20:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DannyS712 (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Respectfully, I disagree. Firstly the issue of German and Italian is sort of beside the point, rather most of the counties that aren't "English" are places that have seen lots of immigrants from elsewhere in the United States during the last 50 years, essentially a product of the invention of the air conditioner and Florida's decades long real estate boom. Those that are "English" are generally more "southern" culturally, and politically conservative. In this regard the map absolutely does tell us about the culture of those counties, with "German" largely reflecting a plurality of people who moved there from the midwest and "Italian" largely reflecting a plurality of people who moved there from the northeast. Secondly, comparable maps are present on other pages to an extent that seems odd and inconsistent to omit this one. For these reasons I believe the map should be re-added.Mapsandfactsarefun (talk) 17:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

The map is relevant and should absolutely be included.50.94.198.205 (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

The map is unsourced ("2010 estimates" from where?) and dubious. It should not be included on the article. Brythones (talk) 16:23, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I completely disagree, it appears to be neither dubious, nor unsourced. The information lines up exactly with that from the ACS data, comparable to the maps on the pages for Idaho, New England and others. It should be included.50.94.198.205 (talk) 17:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

These maps have been removed from 90% of articles as being questionably sourced and misleading to say the least. (Not a meatpuppet).--Moxy (talk) 21:35, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

The file does not line up with ACS data. According to data from the most recent American Community Survey conducted in 2015, no county in Florida has English as the predominant ancestry group. The three largest ancestry groups were 'German', 'American' and 'African American'. Brythones (talk) 06:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2019

Please change "Florida has the longest coastline in the contiguous United States" to "Florida has the longest saltwater coastline in the contiguous United States," because Michigan is part of the contiguous US and has a much longer coastline: https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-26847-103397--,00.html 75.144.72.117 (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: See List of U.S. states and territories by coastline. Michigan does have the longest freshwater coastline in the United States, but the measure that gives Michigan a coastline of over 3,200 miles gives Florida a coastline of over 8,400 miles. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:15, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

"Flarida" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Flarida. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

"Flordia" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Flordia. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

"Flordida" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Flordida. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2020

I want it to say how Publix is the best thumbs up 199.47.42.194 (talk) 18:48, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

No, that would violate the policy at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. - Donald Albury 19:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Republic of Florida

Currency issued in 1817 in the "Republic of Florida"

It is necessary to mention that when the USA conquered Florida and Spain "sold it" Florida was already an independent republic created by order of Simón Bolívar. 2A02:2E02:27CF:6500:4CB2:5752:D898:5451 (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh, that is going to require a very good source, indeed! - Donald Albury 00:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, the matter is a bit confusing, since the creator of the republic was Gregor MacGregor, that although he was under the command of Simón Bolívar, those who financed the project were Americans, so when the republic was proclaimed, the republic's goverment "voluntarily" joined to Venezuela but the investors wanted join the republic to USA, so the United States seeing that the situation was chaotic, occupied the territory for itself, breaking the relations with Venezuela, because Venezuela considered and continues to consider Florida as part of its territory. 2A02:2E02:27CF:6500:880A:22D2:83C7:8E9E (talk) 11:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh, God, we've seen this absurd claim before; it's usually introduced by Venezuelans, naturally, although geolocation indicates that this IP is in Valladolid, Spain. Whether or not Bolívar himself actually commissioned the filibuster MacGregor on his ill-conceived, failed quest to conquer the Floridas, Bolívar had no authority to "order" their creation as an independent republic, since they were owned by the sovereign nation of Spain. I routinely reverted a sneaky editor from Caracas who kept trying to slip this nonsense into the WP article on Gregor MacGregor for years, and a couple of other articles, but he never produced a source in English or Spanish. Carlstak (talk) 00:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't support Venezuelan claims, but I think that is interested that part of Florida's history, the stories of the filibusters are very interesting for me, is only that, I never tried to put politics here, sorry if it has been misunderstood. 2A02:2E02:27CF:6500:60A7:AE3F:44BC:1F8B (talk) 10:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2020

The reference for the following sentence is wrong: "A 2013 Gallup poll indicated that 47% of the residents agreed Florida is the best state to live in. Results in other states ranged from a low of 18% to a high of 77%." 73.188.245.173 (talk) 22:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

 Removed –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 21:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

State song

Does the musical adaptation of "I am Florida" have the same legal status as "Old Folks at Home" as a state song or am I missing something? I know the law says that it supposed to supplement "Old Folks at home". Help clearing up this confusion would be much appreciated. Flags200 (talk) 12:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The 'Notes' tab should be removed

In my opinion, the 'Notes' tab should be removed because in my opinion it is pointless having an empty tab in the article. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Notification: Housing in Florida

A request has been submitted to WikiProject Florida for a new article to be created on the topic of Housing in Florida. Please join the discussion or consider contributing to the new article. Best regards, -- M2545 (talk) 13:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Governance

"Since the mid-20th century, Florida has been considered a bellwether, voting for 15 successful presidential candidates since 1952. During such period, it has voted for a losing candidate only twice."

I believe this is referring to the 1960 and 1992 elections where Florida voted for a losing candidate. Should it be changed to three times since the state voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election, or should it be changed only when the votes are tallied by Congress? FredModulars (talk) 05:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021

Can this page have something about the Indigenous people of Florida before jumping directly into Ponce de Leon? 2603:7000:9503:5500:C516:62DE:1393:F70 (talk) 19:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 20:42, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I did add a few words to the lead to mention that Native Americans were in Florida when Ponce de Leon showed up. - Donald Albury 23:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

YOU HAVE TO ADD WHITE ONLY HISPANICS in Demographics, as HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE --47.61.205.189 (talk) 19:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Cite error

The reference "abbott" is still defined in the reflist, but is no longer in use. This is causing a cite error. Could someone comment out or remove it?

Thanks 89.241.33.89 (talk) 14:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Done. It seems to have been used to support the Koppen classification. As another source is now cited for that, there was no point in trying to recover that use. - Donald Albury 16:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Searching for a Reference Template

I've seen articles with templates where there is a list of potential sources, however I tried to search for it, but with no avail. Does anyone know or can place a template for potential sources for other people? I have a particular reference that could be useful for other people on a particular section (Economy of Florida). | Remember, Imurmate (talk) 01:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Is Template:Refideas what you are looking for? - Donald Albury 03:42, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you for it. Also, thank you for respoding so quickly. | Remember, Imurmate (talk) 18:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome! I only found it a few months ago. - Donald Albury 20:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Split proposed

The Economy of Florida is a topic of particular current interest. Here are some potential sources of information:

• Category:Economy of Florida
• Search engines for scholarly sources:
  • Google Scholar
  • Core.ac.uk (Open access research papers)
  • Base-search.net

-- M2545 (talk) 13:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

M2545 I have gone ahead and actioned this split, as it has been sitting unopposed for 2 years and there's clear scope for an independent article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Voter Registration in Flordia

The last line of Elections history states that "The Democratic Party has maintained an edge in voter registration, both statewide and in 18 of the 67 counties, including Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, the state's three most populous.[198]" The source is dated to I believe 2008 and is no longer correct https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/11/17/milestone-moment-republicans-officially-overtake-democrats-in-florida-1394072 140.158.252.139 (talk) 16:49, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed the "has". (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2022

Rick Scott was incumbent governor at the time he was elected US Senator in 2018, not former governor. He was term-limited and could not run for re-election, but he was still in that office when elected US Senator. 2600:1700:BFB0:33B0:98B0:44A2:821B:FD70 (talk) 07:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

•  Done: Changed 'former' to 'then'. - Donald Albury 13:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2022

I have found some mistakes about the weather in tampa and i would much appretiate it if you could spare the time to let me make such changes. My source is accuweather https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/tampa/33602/november-weather/347937. Thanks you very much for your time. -zkqrma Zkqrma (talk) 05:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The link you gave is for the highs and lows only for the month of November 2022, which is not what the tables in the article discuss. Aoidh (talk) 07:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2023

Change number of registered voters to reflect updated voter registration statistics Sambinks (talk) 14:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 15:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Governor’s stand on gay rights

Gay rights in Fl 2601:87:200:11F0:4942:2E43:F6D8:D179 (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request about costliest hurricanes

"In 1992, Florida was the site of what was then the costliest weather disaster in U.S. history, Hurricane Andrew, which caused more than $25 billion in damages when it struck during August; it held that distinction until 2005, when Hurricane Katrina surpassed it, and it has since been surpassed by six other hurricanes. Andrew is the second-costliest hurricane in Florida's history."

That paragraph is awkwardly worded and should be streamlined. It feels like the info was piled on without rephrasing the sentences. T The word "surpassed" is also way over used. 71.41.52.67 (talk) 03:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2023

The top countries of origin for Florida’s immigrants were Cuba (23 percent of immigrants), Haiti (8 percent), Colombia (6 percent), Mexico (6 percent), and Jamaica (5 percent) in 2018. Add this information to demographics section.

Source: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/immigrants_in_florida.pdf 103.164.138.55 (talk) 10:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 03:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Lebron James Best player in the NBA

Lebron James has the most points in the NBA. He has 4 rings and he's just him so admit it he's the best NBA player ever. 47.189.167.159 (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Major college sports

UCF is now a major college sports school, being a member of the Big 12 as of 2023 97.103.156.9 (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

New York south?

New York-south That's mostly opinion to describe Florida (especially South Florida)? or Central Florida? (Not North Florida because of the Southern hospitality (meaning friendly-ness and nice, not everyone is not) Winnebaggo (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, you created the redirect, so I have to ask how common is that phrase used in referring to Florida. Item number 8 under Wikipedia:Redirect#Reasons for deleting says, If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. I get what the phrase is inferring, but I grew up in Miami and lived in Florida for 80 years, and I don't recall seeing or hearing that phrase used with that meaning. Donald Albury 16:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I think I understand what Winnebaggo's word salad says; it's pretty incoherent. I see that a lot of this editor's edits are reverted—there's a reason for that, and this useless "New York South" redirect should join them. I've lived in Florida since 1965, and I have heard the expression "North Florida is the South, and South Florida is the North", or words to that effect, but I always thought, "huh, you've never driven on the highways in Jacksonville." ;-) I've never heard anyone call South Florida "New York South", though. Carlstak (talk) 17:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of Jacksonville, I have heard the one about Jacksonville being the largest city in southern Georgia, although that is 40 or 50 years old. Donald Albury 20:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Haha. People around the area still say that—it's true in many ways. Michael Ray Fitzgerald, in his quite literate book Jacksonville and the Roots of Southern Rock, says "In fact, some observers, culturally speaking, consider Jacksonville not only part of south Georgia but the virtual capital of south Georgia... North Florida is not like the rest of the state: record producer Tom Dowd said, "Florida is the only place in the world where you have to go north to get the South." Carlstak (talk) 22:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Winnebaggo:, I did a quick search on Google, and the only hit on "New York south" was a map of NYC. It looks to me like that redirect is something that you invented. Unless you can convince me that the term has actually been used, I will nominate the redirect for deletion. Donald Albury 20:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC) Resave to trigger corrected ping. - Donald Albury 20:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)