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I am placing a "cleanup" flag on this page but am offering to do the work myself...when checking, more than half is legend or folklore and fairy tale, not mythology in the Wikipedia definition. I would like to suggest to change the page name to "Dutch mythology & folklore".. or else split it into 2 pages one for myth, the other for folklore, then all these listed topics sorted and grouped by type. See recently sorted "French mythology" and "French folklore" for example...it used to be just like Dutch mythology an alphabetical list... is ok with everyone if I work on this.. Goldenrowley 04:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok I think I'll rename and recategorize this page "Dutch folklore" as more accurate title. Folklore is a larger topic (while mythology is just one aspect of folklore) so you can include all this under folklore, later we can expand on mythology. Goldenrowley 05:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following are NOT Dutch folklore or myth, they are fiction written by outside cultures:

Little Dutch Boy who saved Holland by putting his finger in the Dike -- FICTION - American writer, one of the episodes in novel named Hans Brinker and Silver Skates
Flying Dutchman -- NOT DUTCH folklore - Comes from an English play. Goldenrowley 06:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This covers a lot of folklore for the last 1000 years, so is getting longer than I expected. I will be proposing to make and move the Dutch mythology section to a new page (keeping a placeholder but discussing mythology more fully on a new page), right now its just a list. Goldenrowley 01:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following two Grimm's fairy tales removed because Grimms brothers collected GERMAN stories...there is no "Nose Tree" story in Dutch (translation "Neus Boom"). How does one know these are "Dutch" stories? There was not a source to the page. I can only locate the German stories:

Frau Holle or Mother Hulda - published in "Grimms' Fairy Tales" (1812)
The Nose Tree or The Nose - published in "Grimms' Fairy Tales" (1812), deleted in later editions (I think possibly it means the renamed story St. Joseph in the Forest - at least one source calls that Grimm's Nose Tree Story) Goldenrowley 06:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One third of the low countries presently speak Frysian and French and German dialects. I am sure the last two feel stronger sentiments for there related bretheren in France and Germany, who i might say are also catholic unlike the majority of Dutch speaking people who are protestant. 85.146.24.65 (talk) 22:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is predominantly about Dutch folklore. 85.146.24.65 (talk) 22:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Language

Surely this article should either be called 'Dutch Folklore' or else expanded to include foklore in French, Luxembourgish, Walloon, Frisian, Picard and so on? It's seven years since the first post about this and no-one seems to have argued that it was wrong, but the title's stayed the same.

105.227.223.50 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:41, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The situation hasn't changed since 2014, the problem remains.

It seems to me that the authors wanted to make an article mostly about Dutch Floklore but wanted to include Flemish and Brabant folklore as well.

Maybe 'Floklore in dutch-speaking areas' or something of the sort would fit much better.

At the moment, there is close to nothing about other (sometimes closely related) foklores in the rest of the Low Countries and the introduction even says the "traditional languages" of the Low-Countries folklore is "dutch" or other langages of the area, which quietly puts those other langages at a secondary rank.

I can only propose to either add folklore about other places as proposed by the comment above or change the name of the article to something more fitting. Corbalte (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would propose to add some entries tranbslated from other articles such as : "https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditions_de_Wallonie" Corbalte (talk) 14:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Total deletion of Mythology in the Low Countries

User:Bloodofox has deleted the 30,000 byte article Mythology of the Low Countries without consensus and left a redirect to this page (thus I am bringing it up here). Insofar as I can tell, none of the information from the article has been incorporated anywhere else, meaning that the information has been, in effect, totally destroyed. This information isn't overlap, nor is it irrelevant, nor is it unsourced. Th reasoning, in fact, is that the article is "nationalistic". This isn't a valid reason for deletion ; editors have expressed opposition to such in the past. I feel that the article should be restored until such time as consensus has been gained to remove it or not and, if the first, the information has been incorporated into other articles. What do other editors think?Rwenonah (talk) 23:33, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please read Talk:Mythology_in_the_Low_Countries#Misleading:_Turn_Into_Redirect. The article is a huge mess; if anything need to be "saved"—and I see nothing—then you can simply take it from the archive. Fabricating a topic is a huge issue that needs to be met with a redirect something that isn't total nationalistic fabrication. :bloodofox: (talk) 00:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any consensus to delete the article there. The most recent discussions date from 2009. You need recent and obvious consensus, not an indecisive discussion from 4 years back, before you can delete an article, and you don't have it. Until and unless you get it, the article should go back. Moreover, I see no evidence the article is a "nationalistic fabrication". Rwenonah (talk) 00:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rwenonah is right that this needs to be discussed, and a consensus must emerge. Bloodofox, please propose deletion of the page, and explain why it should be deleted. Oreo Priest ^talk 00:52, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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