Talk:Foreign relations of Northern Cyprus

3 new Representative Offices

North Cyprus opened three new Representative Offices in Quwait, Oman, Qatar. Greek Cypriots are deleting these three from the table in the page on purpose. 16:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by NORTH CYPRUS Since1963 (talk • contribs)

News Articles of Interest

Article in BAKU TODAY (26AUG05) shows terminology giving TRNC the status of a soveriegn nation. It can be accessed here. -- Expatkiwi 01:32 27AUG05 UTC

Embargo

On 29 August 2005, the first major chink in the travel embargo took place with the inauguration of non-stop air services between Ercan and Baku. This is the first time that airliners have not had to do an obligatory stop in Turkey first -- Expatkiwi 22:32 29AUG05 UTC I have altered the opening paragraph as if you look at the reference it does not attribute this so-called isolation to the Republic of Cyprus; ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6215410.stm</ref>

Diplomatic Relations of TRNC

What's that thing about Paraguay's changing her views on TRNC in a positive way?Wikiturk 06:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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Recognition of Kosovo by TRNC

I tagged the section containing the info on TRNC of Kosovo. The basic question is : has it really happend ? The only source I can find (and which is the one given in the article) is a rather spurious newspaper controlled by the government of break-away Transdniestr Republic. Up to now I haven't found a single Cypriot (north or south) source confirming this. The only thing I could find is the statement by Talat welcoming the declaration of independnace, which however carefully avoids the word "recognition". Trncinfo has nothing further either. So I very much doubt that the recognition ever took place. But maybe someone can provide a Turkish-Cypriot (or other similarly reliable) source for this ??

Travelbird (talk) 22:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.kktcb.eu/index.php?tpl=show_news&id=236

The head of the TRNC offered that statement including "The will of the people of Kosovo should be respected and the new state should be assisted." A pretty clear recognition of Kosovo's independence with the words "new state." TheWoody (talk) 01:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

That exactly is the problem. Diplomatic recognition is a well established process, by which one country's head of state writes a letter to another recognizing that country's independance. Verbal statemants to well-whishing and support are not official diplomatic recognition. E.g. the US issues statements of support for Taiwan all the time, yet Taiwan is not recognized by the US as a country. Many European countries have welcomed Kosovo indpendance, but have not yet completed the actual act of recognition.

So unless someone can find a source stating either a) Talat has actually sent a letter of recognition to the president of Kosovo or b) an official TRNC government site or publication lists Kosovo as a country in a list among other countries, I am going to remove the statement from the article again, as most probabably the official recognition has not (yet ?) taken place. Travelbird (talk) 14:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2008/08-02-20.tcpr.html#01

Now I agree with you, the statement was released that TRNC would not be officially recognizing Kosovo and that the president's comments are simply that, comments. Good catch TheWoody (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The comments should still be noted in the article. The TRNC has not recognized Kosovo but the TRNC president's comments do establish a sort of informal position on this controversial issue. 141.166.230.9 (talk) 05:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Never mind my earlier comment; I must have overlooked it earlier, I see his comments are already noted in the article. 141.166.230.9 (talk) 05:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Lists not encyclopedic

Is there any reason why a complete listing of offices, including address, telephone numbers and fax numbers, should be here? It certainly isn't encyclopedic, and we're not a directory (or a phone book, for that matter). AKRadecki^Speaketh 04:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• There are some people who are trying to show low number of TRNC representatives. Phone and fax numbers arew given for proof of the existence of such representatives. There are 3 more representatives that opened but Greek Cypriot wiki user deletes them as you may know. Also, the phone and fax numbers make it easy to communicate with them. Sarninuous (talk) 09:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Exactly as I thought. The problem is, Wikipedia is not the place to prove anything. AKRadecki^Speaketh 13:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

International Organizational Membership

• Note: C.Fred requested more references. Wiki-users can add more references to the following data:

(The user C.Fred refusals are: 1. not clearly sourced 2. there are still article issues) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sisamvleda (talk • contribs) 13:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Political

The TRNC is accepted as an observer member of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference under the name Turkish Cypriot State.

Sportive

• 1 Billiard Federation of North Cyprus - (BFNC) and BFNC is a Prov member of European Pool Championships.
• 2 NC is a member of International EasyKart Federation. Note that World Easykart Champion (in year 2008, 125cc Light) is Zeka Ozteknik of NORTH Cyprus [1].
• 3 NC is a member of International Bocce Association. Note that in "International Bocce Friendship Tournament" in Hungary (4-9 of February 2009), North Cyprus played the Final game and took 2nd place in the tournament.
• 4 NC was accepted to be a member of FEDERATION INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALLTENNIS ASSOCIATION. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.168.188.139 (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Scientific

• 1 The "North Cyprus" is a full member of European Countries Biologists Association (ECBA). Elderbrother45 (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Here is the correct link --E4024 (talk) 11:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

So much POV

This article needs the attention of an expert. It is a mess. It make claims such as "Greek Cyprus" and the like. Meander^₪ 07:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

"Greek Cypriot" is a designation of an ethnic group of the island. It does not mean to signify that the island is Greek, just like the words "Turkish Cypriot" do not contain a claim that the island is Turkish. Since this seems to be your only POV problem, I am removing the tag as the rest of the article seems to be fairly balanced and factual. If you have any specific objections, just post them here.

The same goes with the "factual accuracy tag" - I don't see any major problems and no-one has posted here on the talk page disputing any facts. Passportguy (talk) 08:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

States with limited recognition (proposed change)

The TRNC is a state with limited recognition, according to the relevant WP article: States with limited recognition. However, the first sentence of the present article defines the TRNC as (having an) "unrecognized status internationally". This is conflictive. Therefore I am intending to make a change in that sentence using the "limited recognition" element instead of the words "unrecognized status" to make a better introduction to the article. This edition would be a simple "correction" of the actual wrong. All the same I do not want to do it without a consensus, so write your opinions here about the change I am prepared to make. --E4024 (talk) 11:44, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I changed it to read "partially recognized status internationally", this is an accurate statement. (WP:BRD). Outback the koala (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, you saved me from "having to" search consensus for installing a simple fact. Would you mind giving another helping hand at correcting "(The TRNC) is dependent on Turkey to facilitate its contacts with the international community." The OIC or TÜRKSOY are not international organisations? The TRNC has no difficulty in contacting the many members of those international organisations as well as several other countries; but of course not all of the international community, for example Greece. As there have been so many intercommunal talks and they share a common border, it would not be an exaggeration to assert that the TRNC -although not easily- also carries out some contacts with the RoC. So that sentence is also partially wrong and should be corrected. One should have ANZAC courage to touch these issues; I don't. --E4024 (talk) 16:34, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Although TRNC is dependent on Turkey for many, but not all, contacts. If we said "...is dependent on Turkey to facilitate many of its contacts with the international community." would that be acceptable? This would make the statement more accurate. International organisations are a good point, but the TRNC still does not have direct, permanent, open contact with all the states in those international organisations. Outback the koala (talk) 19:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the effort. Frankly I do not think that the TRNC is so dependent on Turkey in this area. I would prefer a loose reference to difficulties in relationing especially with Europe due to lack of recognition and also the not keeping of the promise made by the European Council in the time of accepting RoC to open up cultural, economic, sports etc (in short everything short of political recognition) relations with the TRNC due to RoC blockage. Let us better leave Turkey alone... --E4024 (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Misleading map

IP User 88.25.60.137 is insisting in keep a map of foreign diplomatic relations in the TRNC. This map is highly misleading because does not explain that British and US embassies in Northern Nicosa have nothing to do with the actual recognition of the TRNC by those respective countries. In case he/she insists in the revert I will ask to protect the page. --Silvio1973 (talk) 12:58, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The map clearly separates the blue from the green (recognition). That said, it doesn't seem an entirely useful map. CMD (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Putin's statement

According to the source:

At his annual press conference on 14 February in Moscow, President Vladimir Putin called the possible recognition of Kosovo independence “immoral and illegal”. He rejected claims that the Kosovo case is unique, saying that the international community should “elaborate uniform principles for the solution of such problems”. The Russian President described the situation in Kosovo as “standard”: “I don’t want to offend anyone, but Northern Cyprus has been a de facto independent republic for 40 years. Why then don’t you recognise it? Are not you, Europeans, ashamed of applying double standards in solving identical problems in different parts of the world?”, he stressed.

If we leave out the context that Putin thinks that Kosovo's independence is immoral and illegal and that he thinks that Kosovo's case is identical to that of Northern Cyprus, then Putin sounds as if he is advocating for the recognition of both. This is misleading to the readers of the article and distorts his actual comments by making him sound like an advocate of TRNC, although he is anything but. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 16:33, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

It is true indeed that rhetorical questions are hard to convey without context. However, I still think citing exact words for Kosovo is by the by with regards to this article. I've reworded it to focus more on Northern Cyprus. Does this address the issue? Russia's current position, as far as I'm aware, is to end Northern Cyprus' economic isolation and encourage it back into a federation with the South. CMD (talk) 17:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you CMD. I agree with your comments and also largely agree with your edit but I added the clarification that Putin opposes Kosovo's declaration. I hope this is ok with you. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 17:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The Representation of Turkish Cypriots in Parliamentary Assembly of Council of Europe PACE

The added text (please, do not make any edit in this part):
In 1986, the assembly of the Council of Europe decided to suspend the credentials of the Greek Cypriot Members of Parliament as representatives of Cyprus, thereby being the first international body to question the legitimacy of representation by Greek Cypriots only for the island of Cyprus in international affairs. In PACE, since 1997, the Greek Cypriots are represented by the Greek Cypriots chosen in the assembly of Cyprus, and the Turkish Cypriots are represented by the Turkish Cypriots chosen in the assembly of Northern Cyprus.
Supplementary Sources:
1. http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/PIO/PIO.nsf/d2f0876e1500506ac2257076004d01cb/005f2b899a230041c2257c3700447272?OpenDocument 6. Turkish Cypriot representative at PACE refers to the issue of football on the island: Turkish Cypriot daily Havadis newspaper (04.12.13) reports that Mehmet Caglar, “MP’ with the Republican Turkish Party (CTP) and head of the so-called assembly’s delegation at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) attended the first meeting of PACE’s Committee on Culture, Education, Science and Media yesterday in Paris.
04.12.2013: CTP Mehmet Caglar.
2. http://www.yigor-property.com/news/7/
Turkish Cypriots reacted positively to the decision taken in October 2004, the PACE Bureau decision that allows two people of Turkish Cypriot representatives to participate in all of PACE, including address plenary meetings of the Assembly. In accordance with this decision, members of the Majlis (parliament) of the TRNC for the first time attended the January 2005 session of PACE. In 2004, the heads of Turkish Cypriot municipalities participated in the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of Europe.
3. http://todayszaman.com/news-15928-turkish-cypriots-attend-pace-meeting.html Turkish Cypriots Attend PACE Meeting.
Republican Turkish Party (CTP) deputy Ozdil Nami will represent the TRNC at the one-week PACE meeting as a full member and National Unity Party (UBP) deputy Huseyin Ozgurgun will attend as an alternate member. 25.01.2005: CTP Özdil Nami; UBP Huseyin Ozgurgun
4. http://www.sabah.com.tr/Yazarlar/safak/2011/01/27/iki_yabanci 27.01.2011 CTP Mehmet Caglar; UBP Ahmet Eti
5. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/sondakika/4239267_p.asp 11.04.2006 CTP Ozdil Nami; UBP Huseyin OzgurgunAlexyflemming (talk) 08:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The objections and Answers:
John Taylor's account is inaccurate -- see the report The 1st two links do not contain info of inaccuracy of John Taylor's account.
The Assembly voted for examining their credentials; they did not suspend the Cypriot delegation: PACE did not suspend the credentials of the Greek Cypriot Members of Parliament as representatives of Greek Cypriot community of Cyprus. PACE suspended the credentials of the Greek Cypriot Members of Parliament as representatives of whole people of (Greek Cypriot community+Turkish Cypriot community) Cyprus. In PACE, since 1997, the Greek Cypriots are represented by the Greek Cypriots chosen in the assembly of Cyprus, and the Turkish Cypriots are represented by the Turkish Cypriots chosen in the assembly of Northern Cyprus.
Cyprus hadn't been in the Assembly from 1964 till 1983: This is nothing to do with PACE's 1986 and 1997 decisions.Alexyflemming (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

This is original research. Stop trying to add your conclusions based on your original research using primary sources and blogs like "They work for you". Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 18:55, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, "They work for you" has transcripts of parliamentary proceedings. Of course, the ramblings of an MP in parliament aren't a RS. — Lfdder (talk) 19:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Taylor's comments have no weight in the field of international jusrisprudence. But this is typical of the MO of this user. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 19:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

References

The Difference of Representations in PACE

In official website of PACE, Click to: "Members" - "All Members" - "By national delegation"-Cyprus to get:
http://www.assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/AssemblyList/AL-XML2HTML-EN.asp?lang=en&XmlID=NationalDelegation-cy

Click to "Note": Representatives of the Turkish Cypriot Community (*) / Représentants de la communauté chypriote turque (*) Mr Mehmet ÇAĞLAR - Republican Turkish Party Mr Tahsin ERTUĞRULOĞLU - National Unity Party Email: trncbrussels@skynet.be Strasbourg Sessions Office/bureau: 5194 Tel: 5150 Secretariat 1. Ms Gülden İLKMAN Section Chief Tél : +90 392 22 89587 Fax : +90 392 22 89587 Email : gulden.ilkman@cm.gov.nc.tr 2. Ms Esma ÜLGEN ÖZSER International Relations Officer Tel : +90 392 22 89587 Tel : +90 392 22 89587 Email : elma_ulgen@yahoo.com (*) In accordance with Resolution 1376 (2004) / Conformément à la Résolution 1376 (2004).

Notice:
1. The Cyprus delegation in table: (3 Representatives+3 Substitutes(since 1961)):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Assembly_of_the_Council_of_Europe#Composition_by_parliamentary_delegation
(Representation of) Cyprus Delegation in PACE consists of 3 Reps + 3 Subs in which "1 Rep + 1 Sub" is unfilled (vacated).
(Representation of) Turkish Cypriot Community in PACE consists of 2 Reps (No Subs.). All of which filled.

2. Reps of TCC were not put in C delegation. This is the PACE practice based on PACE resolutions. Observe:
http://www.assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/AssemblyList/AL-XML2HTML-EN.asp?lang=en&XmlID=NationalDelegation-cy
"Cyprus 3 representatives / représentants - - 3 substitutes / suppléants" includes vacated "ZZ...(Member Representative)" and vacated "ZZ...(Member Substitute)". The names of 2 TCC representatives are not included in this 3Reps/3Subs Cyprus Delegation table, and vacated 1Rep/1Sub is not filled with these 2 TCC representatives.

When one includes TCC representatives in C delagation, C delagation becomes "3Reps+3Subs"+"2Reps"="5Reps+3Subs" which is not the case for Cyprus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Assembly_of_the_Council_of_Europe#Composition_by_parliamentary_delegation
The Rep. of Cyprus is allowed only "3Reps+3Subs" since 1961 Res. That is to say, since, Northern Cyprus is not recognized, it is representatives are put into C page, but not included in C delegation.Alexyflemming (talk) 15:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

The source you've provided says, 'Turkish Cypriot deputies are attending PACE sessions as "representatives of the Turkish Cypriot community" in the "Cyprus" delegation.' [2] — Lfdder (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

In Turkish, the equivalent of word "Cyprus" ("Kıbrıs") can be used both as Noun (The "Country" of Cyprus; "Kıbrıs" in Turkish) and Adjective (Cypriot; "Kıbrıslı" in Turkish). That is to say, "Cypriot" has 2 meanings:1.Related to the government of Cyprus 2. Related to the people of Cyprus island. Example:"Turkish CYPRIOT" is "KIBRIS Türkü". The translation from Turkish to English is little bit bothersome. I will give 1986 PACE Resolution to clarify the situation. Note that the picture in the link is 2 Turkish Cypriot representatives; There is no Substitute among them. Alexyflemming (talk) 18:34, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

"The Turkish Cypriot representation at PACE does not imply any political recognition for the KKTC. Turkish Cypriot deputies are attending PACE sessions as "representatives of the Turkish Cypriot community" in the "Cyprus" delegation." Shouldn't be that difficult to understand? Hardly a translation error in a Turkish newspaper. --T*U (talk) 23:51, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Nobody claims KKTC has been officially recognized (some sort of official status) by PACE. Turkish Cypriot deputies are attending PACE sessions as "representatives of the Turkish Cypriot community" in the "Cypriot (People, Island) delegation", not "Cyprus"(Country RoC) delegation See below.Alexyflemming (talk) 08:34, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Not true! The Zaman source you yourself provided says 'in the "Cyprus" delegation', not 'Cypriot'. --T*U (talk) 09:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

"Cyprus" as island, not as a country (RoC). The island was called "Cyprus" before "Rep. of Cyprus (1960)" as well.Alexyflemming (talk) 19:58, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Without doubt, but at that time Cyprus was not a member. The Council of Europe has member states, not member islands. --T*U (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely with you T*U. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 20:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Pigeon Hole Principle: if there is 4 holes and 5 pigeons, then exactly at least 1 pigeon becomes unnested. Rep. of Cyprus is allowed only 3Reps3Subs in the PACE (which is shown in the PACE official website) since 1961. On the other hand, currently, there are 5Reps3Subs from Cyprus (Click Note at the bottom). Hence, definitely, the "Cyprus" of 5Reps3Subs is not the same as the "Cyprus" of 3Reps3Subs, the latter is definitely the Rep. of Cyprus whereas the former not. This "unnnestedness" is explained clearly by James Ker-Lindsay's book; James Ker-Lindsay (UN Former Special Representative for Cyprus); "The Foreign Policy of Counter Secession: Preventing the Recognition of Contested States;p.149"

Turkish Cypriot Community was awarded observer status in the PACE.(98) This was a highly important symbolic victory. After the OIC, this was only the second major international organization to grant them some sort of official status.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=4PwmeRG9QsUC

The Council of Europe has "observer communities" besides "member states". The observer communities in PACE are not necessarily subordinate to "member states". Notice, PACE's position is exactly reflects the current situation in the Cyprus island. 2Reps of Turkish Cypriot Community are not put into 3Reps3Subs Table of Rep. of Cyprus (1Rep1Sub of which are vacated by Rep. of Cyprus). Notice there are 56MPs+24MPs(vacated for TCC) in the Assembly of Rep.of Cyprus. If PACE had put TCC's 2Reps to the vacated 1Rep1Sub position of 3Reps3Subs(Vacated:1Rep1Sub) Table of Rep. of Cyprus, then your sentence would have been meaningful.

Note that Rep. of Cyprus do not recognize both "Northern Cyprus" and "The Assembly of Northern Cyprus". On the other hand, 2 Reps of Turkish Cypriot Community of PACE are elected in the Assembly of "Northern Cyprus".Alexyflemming (talk) 07:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Nowhere in the PACE web site do you find mention of "observer communities" or "observer community" (both these searches give 0 results)). As for the addition game (and pigeon holes): 6-2+2=6. Please stop the synthesis, OR and fiction now. --T*U (talk) 09:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

References to indicate the Difference between "Cyprus(RoC)" and "Cyprus (island)"

Food For Brain:
When "Ireland" is used, generally the "ISLAND" comes into mind:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland (The island of Ireland ).
For Country:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland (The country of Ireland)

When "Cyprus" is used, generally (but wrongly) the "COUNTRY" comes into mind (This is especially because, Cyprus has a big political context; See Cyprus dispute for example. But even in the political context, sending all citations of "Cyprus, Cypriot" to the country "Cyprus" is wrong):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus
Hence, the meaning of the word "Cypriot" (whether belongs to the "Country", or "people, island") depends on the context it is used (especially for this wrong titled English Wiki. In all common languages, such an error was not made. See French, German Wikipedia for example. Even the "Simple English" Wiki does not have such error.).
The words "Cyprus/Cypriots" was being used before Rep.of Cyprus founded in 1960.

PACE Resolutions:
PACE Res. 2004-1376: http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta04/ERES1376.htm
6.The Assembly therefore decides to associate more closely elected representatives of the Turkish Cypriot community in the work of the Parliamentary Assembly and its committees, beyond the framework of Assembly Resolution 1113 (1997) on the situation in Cyprus and integrate them into the Cypriot delegation.
Notice: Here, the word "Cypriot" refers to people rather than country.

PACE Res. 1997-1113: http://www.assembly.coe.int//Main.asp?link=http://www.assembly.coe.int/Documents/AdoptedText/TA97/ERES1113.HTM 10.Cyprus is entitled to 3 Representatives (and 3 Substitutes) in the Parliamentary Assembly, 2 of which are to be Greek Cypriots and 1 a Turkish Cypriot. At present, only 1 seat (and the place of 1 Substitute) is filled, by a Greek Cypriot Representative (and a Greek Cypriot Substitute).

Delegation of People of Cyprus (GCC+TCC):"(3Reps+3Subs(vacant:1Rep1Sub))+(2Reps+0Subs)" (Here "Cyprus" is more of island not the country RoC)
Delegation of Country of Cyprus:"(3Reps+3Subs(vacant:1Rep1Sub))" (Here "Cyprus" is exactly the country RoC)

"Delegation of People of Cyprus"> "Delegation of Country of Cyprus(RoC)" (See the BIGGERNESS relation on the left):which is explained by:
That's why:James Ker-Lindsay (UN Former Special Representative for Cyprus) br/> The Foreign Policy of Counter Secession: Preventing the Recognition of Contested States;p.149
TCC was awarded observer status in the PACE.(98) This was a highly important symbolic victory. After the OIC, this was only the second major international organization to grant them some sort of official status.
http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=4PwmeRG9QsUC

Delegation of Turkish Cypriot Community (2Reps+0Subs):
The 2 Turkish Cypriot representatives are written separately from Cyprus Delegation (See the bottommost lines):
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/Records/2011/E/1110041500E.htm
Representatives of the Turkish Cypriot Community (In accordance to Resolution 1376 (2004) of the Parliamentary Assembly):Mehmet ÇAĞLAR, Ahmet ETI (2Reps+0Subs)

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=516B38E2EAFF2073525EEB08F7B53903?newsId=105715
Turkish Cypriot deputies Hüseyin Özgürgün (L) and Özdil Nami (R) have been representatives at PACE since 2005. Alexyflemming (talk) 20:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, a brilliant example of original research and synthesis, but what is your point? By the way: What would be the point of stressing the difference between observer and substitute observer? Would only one be allowed to observe at the same time? --T*U (talk) 09:44, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Pigeon Hole Principle: if there is 4 holes and 5 pigeons, then exactly at least 1 pigeon becomes unnested. Rep. of Cyprus is allowed only 3Reps3Subs in the PACE (which is shown in the PACE official website) since 1961. On the other hand, currently, there are 5Reps3Subs from Cyprus (Click Note at the bottom). Hence, definitely, the "Cyprus" of 5Reps3Subs is not the same as the "Cyprus" of 3Reps3Subs, the latter is definitely the Rep. of Cyprus whereas the former not. This "unnnestedness" is explained clearly by James Ker-Lindsay's book; James Ker-Lindsay (UN Former Special Representative for Cyprus); "The Foreign Policy of Counter Secession: Preventing the Recognition of Contested States;p.149"

Turkish Cypriot Community was awarded observer status in the PACE.(98) This was a highly important symbolic victory. After the OIC, this was only the second major international organization to grant them some sort of official status.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=4PwmeRG9QsUC Alexyflemming (talk) 07:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

@Alexyflemming yours is truly OR. You can write in the article what is in the source. The status of observer is not the surrogate for any other recognition.--Silvio1973 (talk) 15:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Foreign Minister

The article states that the foreign minister is Özdil Nami. However, Mr Nami has resigned from this post to assume his new task as the chief negotiator to the TRNC President Mr. Akıncı. Currently the foreign minister post is vacant pending the formation of the new government after the election of Mr. Talat as the new leader of CTP. Therefore I am changing this part of the article to state the current state of play. Wikiturk (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Isn't it also recognized by...

According to the primary article regarding Northern Cyprus, it says that The Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic also recognizes Northern Cyprus. Should we edit this article's intro to reflect that? Currently it says only Turkey recognizes it. Lord David, Duke of Glencoe (talk) 02:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Cyprus

Wikipedia refers to the north of Cyprus- which has been illegally occupied by the Turkish Army since 1974- as Northern Cyprus.No such place exists.Please refer to the UN and International resolutions which demand the withdrawal of Turkish troops and do not recognise the so called "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". Please amend your wiki pages to reflect that there is no such territory as Northern Cyprus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.34.80 (talk) 16:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)