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Requested move 18 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: No consensus.(non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 09:47, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]



Lucky (2017 Italian film)Fortunata (film) – "Lucky" is nothing more than a literal translation. The title for English-speaking audiences is Fortunata. Lucky was originally proposed as the English language title but no longer is. The official Cannes lineup can be found here. A user called Lugnuts will oppose this move, but that's only because he dislikes me. Please ignore his vote. Thanks. — Film Fan 12:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Winged Blades Godric 09:39, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ribbet32KerlykewLugnutsFilm Fan 21:39, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the responses. — Film Fan 09:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I actually support this move, as in Italy, the film is probably known more as "Fortunata". 76.116.198.27 (talk) 23:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Correct vote, incorrect reason. — Film Fan 07:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 6 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved DrStrauss talk 17:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]



Lucky (2017 Italian film)Fortunata (film) – "Lucky" is nothing more than a literal translation. The title in the English-speaking world is Fortunata, as evidenced by all of the reviews.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15]Film Fan 11:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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Requested move 12 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. The support !votes have not conclusively established the asserted primary topic, and the oppose side makes persuasive arguments in regard to recentism. (non-admin closure) James (talk/contribs) 23:11, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]


WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. No other Wikipedia articles have a real claim to this title. Most of the disambig items don't have articles, and likely never would, since they're minor fictional characters. Two historical figures, Maria Fortunata d'Este and Maria Fortunata Viti, are both known as Maria according to their respective articles. The two red links with potential to rival this film are Saint Fortunata, with little long-term significance with 90 hits on Google Books, or Fortunata by Marjorie Patterson with 1,700 hits, as opposed to the film with 3,180 hits on Google News Ribbet32 (talk) 05:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But there are no other articles at Fortunata, apart from the disambig page. For example, if there was a more notable person or place, then the film would stay where it is. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well this move proposal effectively necessitates a separate Fortunata (name) article, in order to have a name dictionary ref source. Under normal circumstances a creative work named after the lead character does not usually have "substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than" the name itself. To make that case we'd have to argue that the original virgin martyr is obscure (yes) and that the work is of substantially greater enduring notability and educational value - I'm not convinced. If it was a Hollywood film named Fortunata would probably be agreeing. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The more I look through GBooks, the more Fortunatas in literature and history I see. This is not a natural primary topic. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"If it was a Hollywood film named Fortunata would probably be agreeing" - That's some pretty ignorant and extreme systemic bias. Ribbet32 (talk) 14:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is another classic personal attack from Ribbet32 In ictu oculi (talk) 15:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's a neutral and indisputably true evaluation of that comment, a WP:SPADE. I'd stand by that assessment. Ribbet32 (talk) 15:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Which is tangential to the topic. The film might garner primary topic if it wins best picture at some of the major awards, but as of now it's a common enough word that primary belongs to its original meaning. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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