Talk:Frédéric Gracia

== Frederic Gracia == reliable source

here some tag for trying not deleted Frederic Gracia page I place here some reliable references found and added within a ten-day grace period, for this article may be not deleted.

here is the 1st page when you look for Frederic Gracia on GOOGLE FR

Google searches are not reliable to establish artistic notability as google searches are not authored or edited. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

here the 2nd one for Frederic Gracia on GOOGLE FR

Google searches are not reliable to establish artistic notability as google searches are not authored or edited. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

here is the 4th page on google .fr

Google searches are not reliable to establish artistic notability as google searches are not authored or edited. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

here a tag toward a Frederic Gracia's biographie

Self-published source, clearly promotional. I feel very very strongly that this is a bad source given the levels of extreme hyperbole. Possibly reliable only for the prizes received. I am highly reluctant to accept this for the establishment of notability given its self-promotional tone and lack of editorial review of the facts contained within. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

here a tag toward a press blog 1st page

http://gracia-presse.blogspot.fr/ is not a press archive, and there is no reason to believe that it has archived the news articles intact, complete and intact. Actual articles may or may not be reliable, but they'd need to be specifically raised with a full citation of the item under consideration. This link is almost certainly a copyvio. Not reliable, not useable. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

here a tag 2nd page

http://gracia-presse.blogspot.fr/ is not a press archive, and there is no reason to believe that it has archived the news articles intact, complete and intact. Actual articles may or may not be reliable, but they'd need to be specifically raised with a full citation of the item under consideration. This link is almost certainly a copyvio. Not reliable, not useable. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

here the page of wikipedia .fr for Frederic Gracia

fr.wikipedia.org is an encyclopaedia derived from user contributions. It is not reliable and does not establish notability. Moreover, just because other stuff exists elsewhere doesn't mean en.wikipedia will accept that content. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:35, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

As per WP:SOURCE, WP:CIRCULAR, WP:OSE. Wikipedia is not a source for articles in Wikipedia, in any language. -- Despayre  ^{tête-à-tête} 00:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

page presse 3

I hope for sincerement that this page dedicated to the art of the trompe l'œil and the artist Frederic Gracia will not be eliminated partially or totally. Frederic Gracia is a painter already recognized in France and his art deserves to be estimated, appreciated in the world of those who interess in the trompe l'œil and the hyperrealisme . here the link towards its page in French].: Visit his site to know more about it. Here also a link towards a page of press

I wait your answer Regards

some reliable sources for Frederic Gracia on :

GBooks MSBooks GScholar MSAcademic GNews recent GNews old Wikipedia Reference Search

Excusez-moi de parler franchement. Premier problème: les machines à traduire, comme Google translate, ne traduisent pas. Deuxième problème: il faut comprendre la nature de Wikipedia, qui est une encyclopèdie et ne se construit pas comme véhicule de promotion. Quand même, vous le savez très bien, il est utile pour la promotion d'avoir une biographie Wikipedia.

1. Il serait bien de trouver un ami anglophone.
2. Il est inutile de faire de listes ici de choses qu'on pourrait mettre dans l'article (il est pire de le faire en caractères gras; il est encore pire de le faire dans des endroits comme WP:RSN).
3. Il faut absolument lire d'autres biographies Wikipédia, observer quelles sortes de sources y sont utilisés, et agir de la même sorte. Il faut citer directement et précisément des articles de vrais journaux et revues qui ont des informations sur la vie, les expositions, les oeuvres de l'artiste, sans aller par les blogs et en oubliant totalement ce que l'artiste pense de soi-même. Ici l'artiste n'a pas le droit de parler: c'est les sources qui doivent parler.

Si vous pouvez faire tout cela dans les dix jours, bien! Sinon, tout n'est pas perdu. Avec quelques bonnes citations de journaux et revues (et je vois qu'il en existe) on peut recommencer et récréer l'article un peu plus tard. Andrew Dalby 19:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Removed PROD

I found some sources and added them to the article and have therefore removed the BLP-PROD template. I have left the article tagged as needing better references. I also moved it to the correct accented spelling of the artist's name. I'll have a look at the sources provided above to see whether any are of use. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted the good-faith addition of the list of sources above to the article as a block at the end of the references. Not all will be usable - some are blog entries - and they need to be integrated. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm really glad you've done that, Yngvadottir. I didn't have time to work on this. Andrew Dalby 11:11, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

je ne sais pas si cette page va effectivement rester en ligne ou si elle sera effacée. j'avoue ne pas savoir quoi faire maintenant. j'ai vu que les photos (sauf une) ont été suprimées... j'ai vu aussi que Yngvadottir a (bien) travaillé à la traduction et aussi sur les liens que je proposais. merci beaucoup en tout cas. que conseillez-vous ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmoor (talk • contribs) 23:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Pas de quoi :-) J'espère qu'il y a maintenant assez de documentation pour que l'on ne va pas essayer de supprimer la page. En tout cas, elle ne seraît pas effacée de procès rapide (PROD), puisqu'elle a maintenant des références. On auraît au moins une semaine pour en trouver de plus. Quant aux images, c'est une affaire de Commons et je vous recommande à voir là-bas votre page de discussion et demander des avis; si vous connaissez M. Gracia, vous pourriez lui demander d'envoyer un courriel d'OTRS pour rendre sa permission d'en utiliser l'une ou plusières.
English translation of above not so good French: You're welcome :-) I hope there's now enough documentation that no one will try to have the page deleted. In any case, it wouldn't be deleted by the rapid process (PROD), since it now has references. There would be at least a week in which to find more references. As for the pictures, that's a Commons matter and I recommend you look at your talk page over there and ask for advice; if you know Mr. Gracia, you could ask him to send an OTRS e-mail giving his permission for the use of one or more of them. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Band link

This article is under-referenced as it is; what sources we have, we need to go by. The source does not say "Chick Corea Elektric Band", it just says "Chick Corea". In any case the recently added picture links to the band in the caption, so that link is present in the article. But in the text at least let us try to go by the sources. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)