Talk:Francis Noel Clarke Mundy

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Did you know... that deforestation in Staffordshire inspired contributions from Erasmus Darwin and Anna Seward to a book of poetry about Needwood Forest by Francis Mundy?

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His native Derbyshire[edit]

If he was born in Leics, how can Derbys be his native county? DuncanHill (talk) 10:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Duncan .... I have tried to clear this up by amending the article. The Mundys are a strong Derby family ... this particular one was born in Leicestershire. I think you get "nationality" from parentage, birthplace and by living there .... he gets it from parentage and ancestral home. OK? Victuallers (talk) 12:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nativity is to do with birth - Derbyshire would be his ancestral county, Leicestershire his native county. DuncanHill (talk) 12:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, if the category was called "Natives of Derbyshire" then it would be clear. However I'm not really sure that my working defintion is correct for "from Derbyshire". Do change it if you want. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't express myself clearly - I wasn't querying the cat, rather the sentence "Mundy died in 1815 and the magistrates of his native Derbyshire caused his bust by Francis Chantrey to be placed in the county hall in memory of his long and eminent services in the situations of justice of the peace and chairman of quarter sessions." DuncanHill (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of images[edit]

According to the guidelines: "Only public domain resources can be copied without permission—this does not include most web pages or images." Was permission obtained to use the image of the bust of Mundy? I think not. Bpayne (talk) 07:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is public domain - 1860s photo of bust by a sculptor who died in 1841 is public domain, and indeed the image description page of the photo of the bust states that it is public domain. DuncanHill (talk) 11:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I misunderstand then I believe modern photos of old busts are copyright ... but this was an old photo of an old bust - I checked! This is what public domain means. Just because someone has an old picture on their website doesnt give them copyright ... and the web masters cannot have asked the photographer or the sculptor. They died some yeats ago.

The website owners have as much right to use public domain images as we do. No more.. no less. Victuallers (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't referring to copyright, merely the courtesy of asking permission from those who have taken the time and trouble to scan old photographs and make the images available on their web sites, to reproduce those images. The web site is mine, and the original photograph was scanned by me and reproduced with permission from the current owner - that is why I ask. I am not unduly offended, but curious as to how Wikipedia policy is implemented.Bpayne (talk) 20:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]