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Please can the people campaigning to include him in the ever expanding Irish honour lists stop reverting his original nationality to Irish.
His parents were Welsh and he was born in Ireland when it was part of the UK. He was a British subject until he took US citizenship. There was no such thing then as Irish citizenship and that cannot be retrospectively applied. Since he wasn't ethnically Irish either - you really should give up the fight!
I'm not trying to "claim" anyone. The article states he was "british born", this means he was born in Britain - he wasn't, he was born in Ireland. They are seperate islands. This makes his nationality and citizenship Irish by birth, I agree that we need a reliable source to see how he identified himself.
The description "British" is not restricted to being born on the Island of Great Britain. It means being born/having citizenship in the jurisdiction of the UK - look it up if you don't believe me. "Britain" is an accepted shorthand for the UK and at that time included (sorry if this upsets anybody) Ireland. Every Scots, English, or Welsh person is British even if born on the Isle of Skye or the Isle of White! Prior to the creation of the Republic of Ireland that went for the island called Ireland as well. Harris was born a British subject (what we call today a citizen) as were all people of Ireland at that time. Post-independence Northern Irish people have the option of calling themselves Irish or British or both. Harris died before this time and in any case had deliberately taken USA citizenship by then.
Being "Irish" ethnically is quite separate from citizenship - as is being "Scots" or "English" or "Welsh". Many will call themselves one of these but that doesn't affect the legal status of their British nationality. Harris wasn't ethnically Irish - his parents were Welsh! I doubt that he thought of himself as Irish.
Stating that calling him Irish born is simply a matter of geography is disingenuous - it is a claim against his original status as a Brit. This is factually and historically misleading. I would assume that someone said to be "Irish-born" was an Irish person. And in this case, that is not true. Daisyabigael (talk) 00:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
- Firstly, the United Kingdom and Great Britain are not the same thing. Second error of fact: Kingdoms do not have citizens. Your conception is totally wrong. Ireland and GB were both part of a larger entity called the United Kingdom for 121 years(i.e. three kingdoms united ) It is patently ridiculous that, following your logic, an Irishman before the union, and thus when Ireland has lesser autonomy and was under the heel of British rule is Irish, but one during the Union is "British". Great Britain (do you know where Little Britain is?) and Ireland are separate but neighbouring Islands. Thirdly, many people would find your propos to be imperialist, racist and offensive. Imagine if you went around calling Congolese people Belgian? Best, --Ktlynch (talk) 10:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this is nonsense. Please look at the link I supplied you. The "larger entity" which Ireland belonged to was called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland at the time of Harris's birth. People subject to the King or Queen of the UK (citizens of the UK) are traditionally (then as now!) referred to as British. End of argument. Do your research. You say: "It is patently ridiculous that, following your logic, an Irishman before the union, and thus when Ireland has lesser autonomy and was under the heel of British rule is Irish, but one during the Union is "British"" I don't recognise my "logic" in your "rebuttal" - I said nothing of the sort. Firstly, Harris wasn't an Irishman of any sort! He was Welsh. Secondly, if you were born anywhere within the UK at that time (and indeed now!!!) you would call yourself British - and this was your nationality (you might also be a Scot, English, Welsh or Irish but this did not alter the fact that you were British!). It is not being "racist" or imperialist" to point out the truth. I am British, and a Scot - my wife is British and English, we both hold British passports and are citizens of the UK. These days, if you are born in Northern Ireland you can be counted as Irish or British for your official nationality - but that wasn't the case at the time of Harris' birth. I know it's a bit complicated, but you are in error and need to read up on the subject before you start pontificating again about a subject you don't quite understand. Daisyabigael (talk) 12:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
What was Frank Harris the publisher of? I could not tell from reading the article where he would be characterized as being a publisher... an Editor, yes, but publisher, it seems to be, a "no."Stevenmitchell (talk) 05:29, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
He was a self-publisher - several of his books including My Life and Loves and his biography of Oscar Wilde were first published by him. I would not say that's enough to make him a publisher in the commonly accepted sense. --188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
England or Germany?
Frank Harris was also the author of "England or Germany?", described as a "tremendous tirade" by the Times Literary Supplement. I think it should be included in the list of his works. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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