Talk:French hip hop

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Is there a source for Booba shooting a bartender in 1999? None of Boobas' entries on the different Wikipedias (English, French, German, Dutch) mentions anything about it... (惑乱 分からん)

I've never heard of this. He did rob a cab driver and did some jailtime for it. The rest is mainly showing off. (Thomas B.)

Maybe one should just be bold and edit it out, unless someone could contribute a source. 惑乱 分からん 15:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Can't say i have heard of this happening, sounds intriguing. I've done some work on Booba for wikipedia and know him quite well - this would be an important thing to add--Baston1975 15:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I edited it out, since it seemed suspiciously like vandalism, and nobody familiar with the rapper seemed to have any knowledge about it... 惑乱 分からん 18:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Funky

I am concerned about the use of the word 'funky' in the following entry:

By 1983, hip hop was a notable part of the French music scene. Paname City Rappin (1984) by DJ Dee Nasty was the first album released; it was a funky record, released on Nasty's own Funkzilla record label.

In this context what does the word 'funky' mean? If it;

1. Refers to a genre there should be a link or an explenation if this is not the case. Does it refer to the genre funk? If so I don't think that 'funky' should be used; it should be 'funk'.

2. If it is being used as an adjective it should be revised: the use of the adjective 'funky' in this context is unencyclopedic.

Regards,
Radical Dave

The following entry:

Paname City Rappin (1984) by DJ Dee Nasty was the first album released;

Is generally dubious and specifically illogical: 'first album' in what context? If this is in the context of French Hip Hop it lacks a reference and in any case needs to be re-worded for clarity.

I'm going to leave these tags up for a bit and if no one edits these entries I'll do it in a few days. In the meantime I'm going to try to find a better template for this and the above "dubious assertations".

Regards,

Radical Dave

From what I remember it is indeed the first French hip-hop album. I'll try to find a reference.

1. I think the writer meant something like "related to funk". From what I remember of this LP, it had no "live" vocals, only samples and indeed sounded like machine-made instrumental funk with a hip-hop flavor.

2. It is indeed used as an adjective but I guess the writer is French, and "funky" has a strictly musical sense in French. Most french people don't know it can also be related to "dubious", "foul-smelling" or whatnot.

Yo La La !

The majority of French rappers are descended from Berber, Arabs and African immigrants. I'm sure that autor is américan. Sorry, but in France we can see only children of french réplublic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.84.155.199 (talk) 22:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

way long introduction!

that introduction is ridiculously long! it makes this article really awful. Someone with some knowledge on the subject (I have none, hence why I was looking it up) please radically change up this page!--LeakeyJee (talk) 12:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Influence of Young People in French Hip-Hop

The influence of young people is large pertaining to hip-hop in France for several reasons. As said by the article, French Hip Hop narrates a generation: "as the French youth has become characterized by the second and third generation sons and daughters of colonial immigrants, these young people have become more and more disillusioned with the aristocratic conventions of French culture. Hip hop has offered a lurid expressive mouthpiece for the frustrations and experiences of minorities, lower socioeconomic groups and those who feel isolated–physically and ideologically–by traditional French culture." ( <http://electricgangstar.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/french-hip-hop-narrates-a-generation/> ) It is clear that French hip-hop is speaking for a generation of young people and is the culture of these people. The spread of hip-hop in France allowed these young people to connect to something that made them feel like they matter. It welcomed the young people to express themselves through music, dance, fashion and other forms of art. In France, the youth is made up of Blacks, Arabs, and Whites living together and integrated into society through equal opportunity for education. Unlike in the US, they are not living in radically violent conditions, however the French youth still believed they had something to say and needed to not only be heard, but to find their identity; French hip-hop is what gave them the grounds to finding their identity, which is why this genre of music speaks for the young people of France. As MC Solaar emerged, the youth listened to his music and were able to connect with his lyrics and with what he stood for. Because of this, he eventually became the spokesman of a whole generation - not only of the immigrant communities but also of the White middle class teens who also struggle with self-identification. MC Solaar had an immediate impact on the youth and from there grew a strong youth culture, which rapidly starting influencing other musical styles with its phrasing and break beats and gave birth to many contrasting styles including pop, funk, dance, techno, acid jazz, indie rock etc. ( <http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/MIE/Part2_chapter08.shtml> )

(Geecroe10 (talk) 22:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC))

Text excerpted and removed from article

I removed the following text from the article as largely trivial. However, the list may be a good opportunity to increase our coverage of French music.

Rappers from Paris: Arsenik, Lino, Booba, Ali, Ekoué, Busta Flex, 1995, Casey, Dicidens, Disiz La Peste, Kamelancien, La Brigade, La Rumeur, La Fouine, LIM, L'Skadrille, Lunatic, Mafia K'1 Fry, 113, Kery James, Intouchable, Karlito, Ideal J, Manu Key, OGB, Mister You, NTM, Kool Shen, Joey Starr, Nysay, Salif, Oxmo Puccino, Pit Baccardi, Rohff, Scred Connexion, Haroun, Mokless, Fabe, Sefyu, Sexion D'Assaut, Sinik, Sniper, Aketo, Tunisiano, Diam's, Tandem, Mac Tyer, TLF, Youssoupha, Alibi Montana, Assassin, Beli Blanco, Despo Rutti, Diomay, Doc Gynéco, Ministère A.M.E.R, Stomy Bugsy, Expression Direkt, Iron Sy, Jarod, Kennedy, M. R, Mala, Mo'vez Lang, Nubi, Seth Gueko, Vari, X-Men, Zoxea, Les Sages Poètes De La Rue, Zesau, East, Driver, La Cliqua, Lionel D, Fababy, LECK, Guizmo, Mac Kregor, Papillon Bandana, TSR Crew, Les Refres,Democrates D, La Malédiction Du Nord, Aka, Alino, A.D.M, Amara, A2P, La Comera, Ketokrim, Ahmess, Good J Rex, Yoka, Yaya, Baba, Brex, Briss, Bizon, Blackarisk, Boyser, Brasco, Cortex, Brookbaker, Assoc 2 Malfrats, Karl'1, Effi Ello,Endo, Dry, Soldat Du Mic, Stereo Blackstarr, RS4, Nill Ness, LMC Click, Layone, Ménélik, KHF, Kozi, Matt Moerdock, Afro Jazz, Ad'Hoc-1, CH3, jewel, EKMC, KU2H, EJM, Saian Supa Crew, Too Leust, Pegaz & Tita, Ul'Team Atom, Poison, Marginal Sosa, Anansi, Sambastoss, Malik Bledoss, Toyer, Unité Spéciale, Les Associes, Syndicat Du Crime, Neg Marrons, RMA2N, OG Simpson, MC Sly, Lord Kossity, Daomen, Eskadron, Chil P, Alcide H, Genotype, Jox Kardifrox, Syde, Exta, Profil Douteux, Ekinox, Les Grumos, Dawa O Mic, Tito Prince, FK Plus 2 Classe, Kohndo, Kheimer, Escobar Macson, Soldafada, Hiroshimaa, Oussen & 13K, Heckel & Geckel, Six Coups Mc, Chabodo, Mokobé, Sir Doum's, Agression Verbale, Ol Kainry, Mystik, Nakk,K.Special, Krimeur, Daddy Lord C, Sultan, Brakage, Black V'Ner, Apotre H, Black Barbie, Sté Strausz, Lady Laistee, Bams, Dany Dan, AP, Fossoyeur, Doudou Masta, Armaguedon, Stereo Neg, Baala, Babass, Serum, Rost, Grodash, Still Fresh, 93 Lyrics, Ralflow, H Magnum, Passi, Orosko, MC Jean Gab-1, Makaba, Mossda, Dahood Poulares, K.ommando Toxik, Antalgik, Antilop SA, Dragon Davy, 1sang10, Kazkami, 2Bal, Hamed Daye, Alain 2 L'ombre, Yusiness, Kaaris, Insa Sané, Mzé, BR, Cifack, Rheyz, Inko, Dam16, Flex 73, Soon E MC, S Pri Noir, RCFA, Praz Infantry, 357. MP, 2 Doigts, Les Novices Du Vice, Lexro, R.D'Elite, Section Fu, Sleo, Aktivist, Différent Teep, 3Griffes, IMS, Lone, Malekal Morte, Mafia Trece.

Rappers from Marseille: 45 Niggaz, Al Iman Staff, Black Marché, Bouga, Carpe Diem, R.E.D.K, Picrate, L.O, Reso, Teddy, Carré Rouge, Def Bond, El Matador, Faf Larage, Fonky Family, Ghost Dog, IAM, Akhenaton, Shurik'n, Freeman, K.Rhyme Le Roi, Kamses, Keny Arkana, La Swija, El Sarazino, Diego Moltissanti, Mistral, L'Algérino, Le 3ème Oeil, Le Venin, Liaisons Meurtrières, K-Rlos, Lorenzo, Lygne 26, Mino, Prodige Namor, Namor, Psy4 De La Rime, Soprano, Alonzo, Vincenzo, Puissance Nord, Révolution Urbaine, Zino, Makiavel, Brigante, S.krim, Sale Equipe, Soul Swing, Zephir, 10Kret, Berreta, Kalash L'Afro, Césarë, Chiens De Paille, Costello, Veust Lyricist, Don Choa, Sat L'Artificier, Le Rat Luciano, RPZ, Yak.

Rappers from other towns: Medine, La Boussole, Le Koncept, Ness et Cité, Bouchées Doubles (Le Havre) KDD, JM Brolik (Toulouse), Abd al Malik, NAP(New African Poetes) (Strasbourg), Dosseh (Orléans), Maï Kash (Rennes), Bakar (Chartres), Axiom (Lille), Casus Belli (Lyon), Demi Portion (Sète), Orelsan (Caen), Soulkast (Lille), Boloxx Klan, Nitrofonik (Creil) Micronologie (Rennes), Kacem Wapalek, La Rancune, La Crimin'L, Sang Pleur, Maréchal (Lyon)...

--Izno (talk) 15:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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"Language" section: Bobby Lapointe is clearly not a rapper!

Hi guys, sorry to intrude, I don't have time to propose a rewording of this sentence:

Such artists as Boby Lapointe often use alliterations, onomatopoeia and puns or double entendre lyrics.

But it is clearly, utterly wrong or misplaced. Boby Lapointe was a 1950s/1960s singer, he did indeed sing pun-laden and rather funny songs but he was by no means a rapper, nor is he related to rap in any way. I guess somebody wanted to highlight his influence on rap lyrics, but even this is more than farfetched, to say the least. Serge Gainsbourg's lyrical technique (itself influenced by Baudelaire and other 19th century poets) would be the influence on people like MC Solaar or even NTM, for instance (French singer Renaud is not really considered an influence on MC Solaar, despite what the article also states).

-- Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.204.245.25 (talk) 10:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)