Talk:Fuad Shukr

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Which romanization to use?

Romanizations used by sources include Fu'ad Shukr, Fuad Shukr, or Fuad Sukar. I presume Fouad Shuker might also have been used, although I haven't seen it yet. Which one should be used? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assassination attempt July 2024

Appears he is dead after all. Stay tuned. . . https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-reversal-reports-now-say-fuad-shukr-was-killed-in-israel-strike/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/citing-security-source-lebanese-tv-reports-hezbollah-commander-was-killed-in-strike/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksperber (talk • contribs) 20:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Israel Defense Forces confirms that top Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr was killed in an Israeli airstrike in the Lebanese capital of Beirut earlier this evening. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-senior-hezbollah-commander-fuad-shukr-was-killed-in-beirut-airstrike/ Ksperber (talk) 21:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1RR violation

@Foxhound45: This edit is a violation on the 1 revert rule in place on the Israel-Palestine topic area. Please self-revert and remain civil. Nythar (💬-🍀) 22:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nythar Nowhere in the article does it say anything about a 1 revert rule. Also, I wasn't trying to start an edit war. It's notable that Israel quickly confirmed Shuker's death while still remaining undecided about Mohammed Deif. If you want to believe Hezbollah over Israel, that's your choice. Foxhound45 (talk) 22:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Foxhound45: It isn't up to me to decide who is more reliable than the other. I reverted your edit solely because unconfirmed statements (yes, even those made by Israeli government officials) cannot be taken at face value. We should wait a few hours until the claim that he died is confirmed (or refuted). Additionally, this article belongs to the WP:ARBPIA topic area, and all articles in this topic area are subject to 1RR restrictions (there should be a notice on top of this talk page but there isn't unfortunately). Nythar (💬-🍀) 22:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a notice now. In any case (with or without a edit-notice): this article is clearly under 1 RR, Huldra (talk) 23:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hezbollah confirmed he was in the building and search for his body is underway. His demise could be confirmed in a few hours.--160.78.149.30 (talk) 06:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/body-hezbollah-military-commander-found-beirut-rubble-two-security-sources-say-2024-07-31/ Kiwiz1338 (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

he died

he died according to multiple sources (Reuters) , (AL arabiya via afp) 173.206.1.59 (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The introduction should be updated to reflect past tense Darter25 (talk) 17:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Militante ou TERRORISTA?

ASSASSINATO????? OU MORTE???

OU NEUTRALIZAÇÃO DO CRIMINOSO???? 2804:14D:4CD1:96FF:418B:39B:DA56:9E3C (talk) 11:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:TERRORIST for why we usually don't use those words. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous Naming

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Under the section titled "Hezbollah activities", the US victims of the Beirut barracks bombings are referred to as "soldiers". This is inaccurate. In the article pertaining to the bombing, the US victims are referred to as "220 marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers". The term "troops" can be used as an overarching name.

An edit would look like the following: Shukr participated in the planning and execution of the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings, which resulted in the deaths of 307 people, including 241 U.S. troops and 58 French soldiers.

I'm not familiar with the process for editing extended protected articles, but I hope someone with the privileges to edit this article can make this edit. MDev 003 (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done The source cited appears to refer to them with the broader term of "military personnel", which I changed it to. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caller

@Blaylockjam10: can you clarify this line: ..he had received a call asking him to go from his office to his apartment, where it would be easier to target him. Does it mean his apartment was an easier target, hence the caller (from the attacker's side?) asked him to go to his apartment? Or did it mean the caller (part of his security) asked him to leave the office which was an easier target?

The second statement is also unclear: It is believed that the call was made after someone connected to Israel breached Hezbollah's internal communications network. Was the caller helping him, or was the enemy? All content is from a WSJ report which is behind a paywall, so I don't have access to the original words. Jay 💬 13:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jay: Here’s the relevant quote from the report:

That evening, according to the Hezbollah official, Shukr received a call from someone telling him to go to his apartment five floors up. Around 7 p.m., Israeli munitions slammed into the apartment and the three floors underneath, killing Shukr, his wife, two other women and two children. More than 70 people were injured, according to the Lebanese Health Ministry.

The call to draw Shukr to the seventh floor, where he would be easier to target amid the surrounding buildings, likely came from someone who had breached Hezbollah’s internal communications network, the official said. Hezbollah and Iran continue to investigate the intelligence failure but believe that Israel beat the group’s countersurveillance with better technology and hacking, the official said.

Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, rephrased. Jay 💬 06:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]