Talk:Götheborg (ship)

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Stops in South Africa[edit]

These were at the V&A Waterfront, Cape Town then to Hout Bay just around the corner and past Cape Point to Port Elizabeth on 21 March 2006. Gregorydavid 15:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ports and Journey[edit]

I find it hard to believe that they would land at Dijibouti, then Alexandria, then Nice in the days before the Suez Canal. How was this accomplished? Even if they were to stop at Dijibouti and Nice, Alexandria is not even vaguely along the path which would take them back around the Cape of Good Hope. Can someone explain this, please? Thank you. LordAmeth 11:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

In the 18th centrury there were no Suez Canal. The ships had to go south of Africa. The boat that 2005-2007 went to China and back "cheated" by using the Suez Canal, to save money and time. -- BIL 10:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah. I missed that that list of ports pertained to the replica and not to the original. Thanks. LordAmeth 13:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Name[edit]

I believe the name of the article should be changed to just Götheborg. There is a tendency to refer to the ship as "Ostindienfararen Götheborg" in Swedish, but the actual name on the ship is just Götheborg and nothing else. "East Indiaman" is no more part of the ship's proper name than "Regalskeppet" or "Fregatten" is for Vasa (ship) or Jylland (ship).

Peter Isotalo 12:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to Götheborg (ship); keep Götheborg as a dab page for the ship and the city.--Yannismarou (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

East Indiaman GötheborgGötheborg — "East Indiaman" is not part of the name, but rather a description of the ship. See above for a motivation. It would be enough to move it to Götheborg, but Götheborg (ship) is also an option. — Peter Isotalo 12:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Support It seems reasonable to remove the "East Indianman" from the title of this article.--Filll (talk | wpc) 13:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Prefer Götheborg (ship), leaving Götheborg as a dab page; otherwise there will be errors when editors and readers use the old Swedish spelling of the city without realizing the ship existed. But the present name should be changed. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Like User:Pmanderson, prefer Götheborg (ship), leaving Götheborg as a dab page for the ship and the city, Gothenburg, for the same reasons. — AjaxSmack 05:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Support move to Götheborg (ship), since Götheborg is a well known native former spelling of Gothenburg it should be a dab. --Krm500 (talk) 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

Moving the article to Götheborg (ship) seems like a satisfying alternative to me.

Peter Isotalo 19:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Silver[edit]

I removed silver as part of the common return cargo. Silver was overvalued in China throughout the 18th century, as Fernand Braudel points out in Civilization and Capitalism. Consequently China was a drain on European silver. The article Swedish East India Company correctly notes that the Swedish East Indiamen stopped in Cádiz to take on silver, before sailing to China. (I would have thought Seville, the silver port for American silver, but no matter.) China was not a source for silver for anyone. --Wetman (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

the article needs to be updated with new information[edit]

for example where it was in 2011, 2012 and 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 10:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on it! Back soon. :) - W.carter (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 Done - W.carter (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


Name, new section[edit]

I opted for a special section about the name of the ship since the is a lot of misunderstanding and inaccurate information about the number in the name of the ship. This way, it is clearly shown that there are in fact three ships. w.carter-Talk 16:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Appearance in media[edit]

Members of the music band Immanu El have been on the trip to china and this experience has inspired them to create the album "In Passage". The music video for the song "on wide shoulders" have been taken aboard of the Goetheborg. --Joerg-ks (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

World's largest operational wooden sailing vessel?[edit]

How can the Götheborg be the world's largest operational wooden sailing vessel? Wouldn't that title belong to the USS Constitution which, although currently undergoing restoration/refit, is a full commissioned U.S. Navy ship? She is longer, wider, and nearly twice the tonnage of the Götheborg. Unlike the H.M.S. Victory, which is essentially a static museum, the Constitution is capable of making way under her own sails. 75.138.176.166 (talk) 03:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like you're right. Can't imagine why it's not included in the Template:World's largest wooden ships either. I'll send out some 'pings' to check this out. In the meantime, I've tweaked the sentence in this article. Thanks for raising the issue. Best, w.carter-Talk 11:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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