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Type 88 is not the same as the CKS rifle. Type 88 is a replica of Gewehr 88, while CKS is a replica of Karabiner 98k, AFAIK. -- 我♥中國 19:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly there isn't so much info about type 88 in the internet, all I found out is that Type 88 is an inferior copy of the Gewehr and that using it would be suicide.Anyways my grandfather claim that he was carrying one when he was working as a tax collector for the PRC in the mid 1950... he was saying that the rifle is as useful as a peashooter and that it was heavy to carry, he also carried two Broomhandle. Anyways as you know his stories is what you call "Big Fish" type of stories. User talk:hanchi 19 March 2007

Can't say I know much about either Type 88 or CKS, but I know they're not the same rifle. CKS is a almost direct replica of Kar98k (that actually went into production in China earlier than Kar98k did in Germany) while Hanyang 88 is a replica of Gewehr 88, which is an antique pre-WWI rifle and the ancestor of Kar98k. -- 我♥中國 04:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also in 1942 CKS's troops would likely have been outfitted with his namesake. Furthermore, the ones who got the American weapons and training were not necessarily CKS's directly-controlled troops. So I took that part out. In addition, a major "feature" of Chinese rifles was that they often lacked a bayonet, necessitating the use of dadao for melee weapons. So I'm not sure the part about the Banzai charges is entirely accurate, either. -- 我♥中國 04:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any gun is gonna explode on the first shot, perhaps an exaggeration? Western reports really like to label anything chinese made as "cheap dangerous clones", and I don't think it's fair. Blueshirts 05:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About the exploding in one shot is probably an exaguration from the Chinese veterans as well, since most of them seems to have a bitter memory of it... either that or they are talking about CKS rifles... dont know which one. I will try to do an article about the CKS rifle sometimes... if I can be bothered and if there is enough info on it. However but didnt most Chinese Chiang Kai-Shek, Mao or any Warlords was eager to abandon any Chinese made rifle in favour of American made guns? This somehow shows how desperate they were to receive up to date and quality weapons made by a U.S, Should I put this instead then "Most Chinese soldiers (NRA, Communist or Warlord armies) would rather abandon Type 88 rifle in favour of American made guns" just a suggestion. Anyways thanks for checking out my article! hanchi 20 March 2007

CKS or ZZS rifles are not based off the German K98k, but the earlier German Standard Modell. Chiang8mm (talk) 18:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV?

Anyone considering NPOV? -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs 04:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mind elaborating why you think this article has an NPOV problem? Миборовский (talk) 00:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, were these rifles really that ineffective and volatile? Were these instances only a select few? Otherwise, wouldn't the entire KMT army have fallen victim to these dangerous rifles? -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs 08:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never having shot one of them, I can't really say. And I haven't come across any scholarly research discussing the effectiveness of local-made weapons of the Chinese Army. Yours is a valid point, but the assertion (the quote) is sourced, and I think it's abundantly clear from the context that it is the opinion of one person/blog. As for how much weight should be put on that opinion, I don't know enough to say. Миборовский (talk) 10:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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