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"Crown Center for Middle East studies"[edit]

LOL Honestly? Just go look... non-biased? C'mon! - Sources are supposed to be NON BIASED and if Biased counter-balanced by another biased viewpoint with commentary on both supported by non-biased sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 (talk) 05:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Name transliteration in the title[edit]

Why is the subject's name transliterated with two S's in the title? I don't think that's necessary or even justified. In Persian, there is no stress (tashdid) on the letter S in pronunciation of the name "Hasan" Persian pronunciation: [hæsæn]. Besides, outside of Wikipedia and in the press, his first name is almost always romanized as "Hasan". Is there any specific linguistic reason why the name has been spelled with a double S? Omid.espero (talk) 09:24, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

News article[edit]

This article is a classic example of a news article. Some parts should be removed.Farhikht (talk) 10:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Which party?[edit]

of which party is Hassan Rouhani a member? On his wiki page they say Executives of Construction Party but i saw on a other wiki page Association of Combatant Clerics? anybody who knows the answer?81.58.144.30 (talk) 10:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

according to Iranian_presidential_election,_2013 he belongs to the Moderation and Development Party. EdwardLane (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I have started a thread concerning this question at Talk:Iranian presidential election, 2013#Party affiliation. Please join. --RJFF (talk) 22:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I think it is Association of Combatant Clerics party or Executives of Construction Party because i read that and the colors are purple by the Executives of Construction Party.81.58.144.30 (talk) 10:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Dates correct?[edit]

In the article it says "1995 with an MPhil thesis entitled "The Islamic legislative power with reference to the Iranian experience",[5][14] followed by a PhD degree in 1999" are these dates correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.193.12.246 (talk) 13:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Election won without a runoff - when was the last time this happened?[edit]

When is the last time the Iranian Presidency was decided without a runoff? Everyone is mentioning his moderate views and his connection to the green movement, but this seems to be relavant also.Casprings (talk) 19:24, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

In 2009, as our article says. In fact, the 2005 election appears to have been the only time so far that a runoff was necessary. Ucucha (talk) 21:51, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Plans[edit]

Can anybody translate and add this to the article? And also his another plans? Namejavid (talk) 09:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

When there is an English version of the website/article, please link that - this - the English Wiki - demands sources in English unless they are absolutely unique and the information can't be obtained anywhere else in English. This is for verification purposes, editorial purposes, etc. Thanks. Can you point out this article under somewhere under http://english.khabaronline.ir/service/Economy for those of us who cannot read Persian? Looking through the various site articles, it appears to strongly follow the Iranian regime's political policies, not exactly an independent news source by any stretch of the imagination.HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


The highest degree awarded by Glasgow College of Technology was bachelor. How was he studying there in 70's in a PhD programme? --sicaspi (talk) 01:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Picture with Ruhollah Khomeini[edit]

Could someone please give a better description of which one he is in the pic. Currently it says he's on the First Row, which is great, but there are like 5 guys on the first row. --Sabre ball t c 13:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

2nd from left.Farhikht (talk) 13:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

PhD[edit]

His credentials have not been confirmed yet by GCU. He claims in his resume that he has PhD, so we should write "He is said to be awarded MPhil and PhD " not "He got a MPhil and PhD" until Caledonian University confirms his records, otherwise it would be original research to find some theses in the library and ascribe them to him.--sicaspi (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

His credentials have been confirmed by the GCU.VR talk 03:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, but several doubts still exist regarding his credential. He has been claiming to have been graduated from University of Glasgow, which he corrected only recently after a journalist investigated the issue. Shouldn't this be addressed? --,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 18:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Name section[edit]

Name section is totally original research and very irregular for a biographical article. Things like the meaning of his name is not encyclopedic and has not been advised in WP:WPBIO and WP:MOSBIO. For this case, this is not so complicated: like many other people he changed his birth name. That's all.Farhikht (talk) 11:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Original research[edit]

Please explain what you mean by original research in that section specifically.--,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 14:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

This part is original research:

"Rouhani continued his studies at Glasgow Caledonian University in Scotland, graduating with an MPhildegree in 1995 for a thesis entitled "The Islamic legislative power with reference to the Iranian experience" and a PhD degree in Law in 1999 for a thesis entitled "The Flexibility of Shariah (Islamic Law) with reference to the Iranian experience".[1][2] Rouhani's Caledonian degrees were awarded under his birth name "Hassan Feridon".[3] Before June 2013, Rouhani claimed to hold a PhD from the prestigious University of Glasgow, which was corrected to less well known Glasgow Caledonian University after an investigation by a journalist.[4]

Rouhani's campaign ad quoted a SAVAK document, dated October 10, 1977, with the subject "The Speech by Doctor Hassan Rouhani". The document, partially shown on camera and quoted, refers to a speech by Rouhani in "Imam Mosque" and includes the phrase "there are several reasons why people gather to hear his Minbar [speech]. One reason is that he has the title "Doctor" before his name [...]".[5] Memoirs of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani also refer to him as "Doctor Rouhani" as early as 1981.[6] The official record of the Majlis meetings refers to him as "Doctor Hassan Rouhani" as early as January 1983.[7]".

Please take a look at these examples about what is an original research and how to fix it.Farhikht (talk) 14:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I know what original research is, I wanted to know which sentences you think are OR in here. In the first paragraph you mentioned above, the sentence Before June 2013, Rouhani claimed to hold a PhD from the prestigious University of Glasgow, which was corrected to less well known Glasgow Caledonian University after an investigation by a journalist. is sourced and has a secondary source. I agree that others are OR, but I believe that secondary sources can be found that say exactly these material. ,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 15:25, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
The source[1] of that sentence is not reliable as it's a blog of Radio Liberty. For this claim, I think, that we need some reliable sources which support the statement of that journalist. Also IMO this event (correction of an online CV) is not that important to be cited. It's a triviaFarhikht (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Al-Arabiya also says the same thing. (Why should REL/RF be unreliable? It is not mentioned in the article that REL does not verify it so it is its official statement). Regarding its importance, your point can be a viable reason, but consider that he has been introduced as U of Glasgow for years until recently. ,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 16:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Off mic is a kind of "behind the scene" blog for journalists of REL. And as you see, the source of Al-Arabiya is the same journalist, means that we have just one source for this statement. If multiple reliable and independent sources claim that Rouhani didn't tell the whole truth about his academic career we can dedicate even a section to it but putting some disputed sources together and analyzing them is not an encyclopedic approach, especially when we dealing with a a biography of a living person.Farhikht (talk) 16:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Who has disputed it?,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 17:13, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I think that referring to Alarabiya or Radio Liberty on this article is like referring to Fars News Agency for an article about Obama. They are not reliable in such a case.Farhikht (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
These sources are professional international media and I don't get what you mean. You can say your concerns in WP:RSN. ,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
As I said [2] here, I don't get why the OR was added back without the sources allegedly available which would make it not OR added. As for the 'which university' issue, this seems to me too minor to add to the article, particularly considering the limited sources available, but I've left it in for now. Nil Einne (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

It should be noted that all controversy about PhD is based on claims by London-based activist Behdad Morshedi, self-proclamed "secular democrat", but from his facebook page it's very clear he's apologist of Pahlavi regime. Fact that Rouhani has PhD while his beloved wannabe-shah has only BSc seems frustrating for those "democratic monarchist" with strong preconceptions about backward mullahs so they wanted to undermine Rouhani's academic credibility. Funny thing is that for "proof of plagiarism" he took sentences in PhD thesis which were properly cited in the bibliography. Even teenagers from Wikipedia are familiar with WP:CITE, but charlatan activists are not. --HistorNE (talk) 04:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Political party[edit]

According to this source, Rouhani is a founding member of Moderation and Development Party, Mousavian one of the Rouhani's friends said and this mean he is also a member of the party and as you see, in many of the posters of Rouhani the name of the party was in it. Also Combatant Clergy Association is not a full party and it's like a movement. I think this is better to change his party to MDP in all articles.

interview pic[edit]

Why do you remove the picture of his interview? It is directly related to part of the article about his education. --,dgjdksvc;jknhg (talk) 18:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Son's suicide claims[edit]

The claim that the son of an incumbent president has committed suicide because of his policies, is a very sensitive and delicate issue and therefore needs credible sourcing.

It is reported by Ynet and a few other outlets that Rouhani's son has committed suicide because of his father's relationship with the Iranian Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei. All the reports source back to an article published in al-Sharq al-Awsat written by Alireza Nourizadeh, an Iranian opposition reporter.

Particularly, considering the current political tensions between Israel and Iran and the outlets in which this story has been reported, it is very important to make sure the claim is rooted in reality and not propaganda.

The article published in al-Sharq al-Awsat is not accessible.

The nature of the claim as well as the little publicity it has generated, makes it a very dubious claim. The reports have not been confirmed by Iranian officials, not to mention the whole story coming from Alireza Nourizadeh, which needs not much introduction for anyone following Iranian politics.

It is very important that such a delicate issue to be backed up by credible evidence, such as the confirmation that the letter is legitimate or at least sourcing to the original article where the letter is published.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lastsolfa (talkcontribs) 23:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Ynet is not the only reliable source reporting the suicide and the letter.--The Ningeihher (talk) 23:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC) AndresHerutJaim sockpuppet
I never said it is. As mentioned all sources provided refer to a single article in al-Sharq al-Awsat.
I agree with your last edit. Finally we have reached a compromise.--The Ningeihher (talk) 23:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC) AndresHerutJaim sockpuppet
I don't agree at all. First Lastsolfa bluntly removes the entire section time and time again[3], breaking the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule] in the process, because he doesn't think the sources are reliable, and then there's the adding of "some American and Israeli news outlets" which is also plainly wrong. It's also been reported by sources in Australia[4], Bahrain[5], England[6], etcetera, etcetera. Google Rowhani or Rohani and you'll get a load of non-English sources. Yintan  10:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
This story was made by disident Alireza Nourizadeh and published by third-rated Israeli, Saudi, and US-governmental propaganda (VOA) media. It's not confirmed by any WP:RS and it violates WP:BLP rules. --HistorNE (talk) 10:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Given sources are based either on YetNews or VOA, the same goes for "load of non-English sources". More serious media like The Guardian mention that "son was killed in mysterious circumstances" [7]. This can be mentioned. --HistorNE (talk) 10:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Finanical times says in June 2013 "One of their sons died in suspicious circumstances, though it is unclear whether it was a murder or suicide." It might be well to write in the article that son "died in unclear circumstances", rather than say he was killed. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 19:34, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for more info, I agree. --HistorNE (talk) 13:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Short facts

As Lastsolfa corectly stated, claims where firstly published on 18 June 2013 by Israeli "Ynet News" (Son's suicide is Rohani's dark secret), obviously sensationalistic article. Israeli journalist Shmuel Sasoni still admits story comes from exiled Iranian political commentator Ali Reza Nouri (Alireza Nourizadeh). It's very interesting he published such claims in 2011 along with many similar claims about other politicians' children (see his Persian archive), in the same year when Ali-Reza Pahlavi really committed suicide, and here you can see Nourizadeh was first to mourn son of fallen dictator. You can also check that he was editor of extreme pro-Pahlavist newspaper Ettela'at; after exile he contributes to American VOA's branch Radio Farda and Saudi Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, both propaganda (governmental) media. Can such person be considered as WP:RS? Is there any media which claims same as Nourizadeh, and it's not based on Nourizadeh or published earlier then Israeli Yet News? Answer is clear: NO.

We have similar case like with alleged "plagiarizing Ph.D": pro-Pahlavist political activists spread misinformations, various media from hostile anti-Iranian countries publish it, and then charlatans come here and insert it as "sourced content". It should be noted that this claims about son's suicide where repeatedly forced into article during August by some IP who also made various pro-Israeli edits, like one that Netanyahu has IQ 180 [8]. --HistorNE (talk) 12:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

There are still some editors who force claims despite all explanations, I had to revert it 4 times today. I suggest them to read upper warning about WP:BLP. --HistorNE (talk) 15:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Note that I've protected the article for three days due to the edit warring over this issue. Please try to find a consensus here on the talk page instead of reverting. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:40, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Understood. I sent report to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Hassan Rouhani 2. --HistorNE (talk) 15:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Changing Feridon to Fereydoon[edit]

I am changing every Feridon to Fereydoon. This article refers to his original name as Hassan Feridon, in addition to several relatives with the last name Feridon. However, the usual Farsi to English translation of that name would be Fereydoon. That is the closest translation to the actual Farsi name, which sounds like Fair-ey-dune, not Ferry-don (an alternate spelling is Fereydoun).

Wikipedia also has an page about the name Fereydoon with links, with over a dozen links to people named Fereydoon, not Feridon.

Examples of people with that name include:

Fereydoon Foroughi

Fereydoon Hoveyda

Fereydoon Moshiri

Fereydoon Farrokhzad

It appears the Feridon-Fereydoon issue was simply a mistranslation by individual Wiki editors translating the Farsi sources. Partridgeinapeartree (talk) 03:15, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Choice of quotes[edit]

Only two quote blocks are present and both portray President Rouhani as pronuclear. Whether this is true or not, given his capacity as the head of the Security Council's nuclear group, the first statement (per the source--not personally verified) in an official capacity and doesn't necessarily reflect his personal opinions. The second block quote isn't even in the linked source. Moreover, the second source is an opinion piece and should not be taken at face value. Finally, the selection of these quotes, in my opinion (MA in International Relations), amount to subterfuge intent on stirring emotional responses to the nuclear proliferation issue. I'm not sure how to deal with this, as I am not a regular contributer. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.29.80 (talk) 00:10, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Views on Jews and the Holocaust[edit]

Fars News Agency, datelined "Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:28":

"Exclusive: CNN Fabricates Iranian President's Remarks about Holocaust"
"The CNN aired its interview with Rouhani on Tuesday but the news channel added to or changed parts of his remarks when Christiane Amanpour asked him about the Holocaust."

The thrust of the article is that CNN mistranslated his remarks, adding several words including Holocaust, and changing others. Since I don't know if that link will remain available, following is the relevant text from Fars News Agency, omitting their further discussion:

  • Here is the exact English translation of President Rouhani's remarks:
Rouhani's: "I have said before that I am not a historian and historians should specify, state and explain the aspects of historical events, but generally we fully condemn any kind of crime committed against humanity throughout the history, including the crime committed by the Nazis both against the Jews and non-Jews, the same way that if today any crime is committed against any nation or any religion or any people or any belief, we condemn that crime and genocide. Therefore, what the Nazis did is condemned, (but) the aspects that you talk about, clarification of these aspects is a duty of the historians and researchers, I am not a history scholar."
And here is what the CNN translation says:
CNN Question: "One of the things your predecessor (President Ahmadinejad) used to do from this very platform was deny(ing) the holocaust and pretend(ing) it was a myth, I want to know you, your position on the holocaust, do you accept what it was, and what was it?"
CNN's Translation: "I've said before that I am not a historian and then, when it comes to speaking of the dimensions of the Holocaust, it is the historians that should reflect on it. But in general I can tell you that any crime that happens in history against humanity, including the crime that Nazis committed towards the Jews as well as non-Jews is reprehensible and condemnable. Whatever criminality they committed against the Jews, we condemn, the taking of human life is contemptible, it makes no difference whether that life is Jewish life, Christian or Muslim, for us it is the same, but taking the human life is something our religion rejects but this doesn’t mean that on the other hand you can say Nazis committed crime against a group now therefore, they must usurp the land of another group and occupy it. This too is an act that should be condemned. There should be an even-handed discussion".

The article then points out that CNN's (mis)translation has been widely published. It also acknowledges that CNN aired only excerpts of the interview. If this FNA article and translations are legitimate and accurate, a note may be needed for WP's article. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:08, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

For that matter, our link to his UN speech quotation goes to The Virginia Gazette rather than to any more authoritative and widely-known source. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
NYTimes "Global Update" email 26/9/13 04:15GMT: Iran's Leader, Denouncing Holocaust, Stirs Dispute: "President Hassan Rouhani's condemnation of the Holocaust has set off a political storm, landing him in precisely the kind of tangled dispute he had hoped to avoid." But according to FNA, he did not say that, at least in his CNN interview. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:53, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


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Who screwed up Edit Help? It used to be much more extensive and detailed. I can't remember now how to format a quotation, and it used to explain this. What's left is like a Cliff's Notes to Help. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:19, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

1994 AMIA bombing[edit]

After quiet a lot of research, I have not been able to link Iran to the 1994 AMIA bombings, and although there is a reference for the claim, the reference is an editorial piece with no evidence outside of the authors opinions.

I would like to delete the section accusing Hassan's involvement in the AMIA bombing, unless of course anyone is able to think of a reason why this should remain.

Steve348 (talk) 14:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

The content was added here by User:Michael_Zeev, a sockpuppet of indefinitely topic banned and blocked AndresHerutJaim. It can removed per Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Evasion_and_enforcement. Sean.hoyland - talk 15:20, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Links[edit]

>> Rouhani Away From Nuclear Glare Can’t Move Domestic Agenda (Lihaas (talk) 11:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)).

Infobox[edit]

About Infobox, he is not a militant!! He is cleric. If it's mean that he had served a military post during Iran-Iraq War, this not mean that he is a military persons. Many other politicians in Iran had served military post then Like Ali Khamenei, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Mir-Hossein Mousavi and others. And about his posts, he had served many posts. It's not need all be in infobox. President of Expediency Discernment Council's Center for Strategic Research was not a key office and also it's better to use Parliament of Iran than Islamic Consultative Assembly. It's long and is not good. And finally, in article it's: In 2013, he appointed former miner and Isfahani legislator Eshaq Jahangiri as his vice-president. I corrected it but some users removed it. He was former industries minister and is not Rouhani's only vice president. He is first vice president! GTVM92 (talk) 08:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

A former commander of Air Defense Force who has recieved two high-profile Military awards, IS a military man. Being a cleric, does not mean neglecting military career which is well-sourced. Please do not remove referenced content. About his former offices, I consider all key positions. We need a consensus. Pahlevun (talk) 13:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Turk?[edit]

Is this guy and people who look like him really Turks? We know they are not real Persian or Persian at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.215.114 (talk) 08:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Use the Fars translation[edit]

There seems to be a dispute about CNN's translation of Rouhani's remarks in the section Hassan_Rouhani#Israel_and_Palestine. The supposed mistranslation actually has nothing to do with Rouhani himself and therefore doesn't belong here. Maybe it can be moved to CNN controversies. We should just use the Fars News translation as given here; it's also supported by the WSJ.VR talk 04:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ "GCU congratulates alumnus Hassan Rouhani on his election as the next President of Iran". GCU University News & Events. 19 June 2013. 
  2. ^ "alumnus Hassan Feridon". GCU lost alumni database. 18 June 2013. 
  3. ^ "GCU Alumnus to be next President of Iran". GCU. 17 June 2013. 
  4. ^ http://www.rferl.org/content/denise-ajiri-iran-elections-watch-/25012218.html
  5. ^ اولین فیلم مستند تبلیغاتی حسن روحانی [The first documentary advertisement for Hassan Rouhani] (in Persian). 2013. 3:20 minutes in. Retrieved June 15, 2013. دکتر حسن روحانی بعد از نماز مغرب و عشاء در مسجد امام سخنرانی کرد. علت این که جمعیت زیادی پای منبرش جمع میشوند چند چیز است. یکی این که کلمهٔ دکتر جلوی اسمش دارد... 
  6. ^ Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani (21 July 1981). "سه‌شنبه ۳۰ تیر ۱۳۶۰". عبور از بحران (in Persian). 
  7. ^ "مجلس شورای اسلامی، دوره ۱، جلسه ۴۰۶" (in Persian). 13 January 1983.